When I was attending my college of ed. I was amazed at the amount of psychobabble that gushed from the faculty and grad students. My department chair kept pushing me to stay on after my undergrad degree and do some graduate work. I never really understood whether she was doing it because she felt I could make a contribution or she just wanted to keep the flow of grad students coming into the program (this was a very small department of 12-14 profs and about twice as many grad students.) While I admit it would have been moderately entertaining, I needed to earn a "real" living.
Having been in the business world for some years prior to this, I found it rather easy to manipulate and/or comply with the expected norms within my department. In other words, I figured out how to play the system early on.. I probably could have done well had I stayed on, but in doing so, would have been living at or near the poverty level. With the cutbacks in funding that have taken place in the last few years I would most likely have been on the street right now, too. Dan --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:22 PM As one with advanced degrees from a "college of Education" within a university, I can say the quality of grad students getting advanced degrees in education was appalling. Aside from that, the indoctrination of new teachers consisted of just that, indoctrination in edubabble, (the ability to speak educanese, so as the parents will be intimidated and not question what is being taught, or how) indoctrination about all the latest fads that don't work, and nothing about critical thinking or methods that work. Mcguffie's reader, even the Dick and Jane books, and phonics and real math, along with real success and failure teaches kids to be citizens. That is something the "progressives" just don't want. When several of us caught a department chair plagiarizing grad student work, the college and university circled the wagons to silence those of us who knew about it, so as not to bring "embarrassment" to such a prestigious university. THe plagiarizing department chair was moved to a Michigan university and installed as a Dean. On 11/23/09 6:55 AM, LarryT wrote: > dieselhead wrote <<thought the students would become proficient by osmosis>> > > HAHA! I suspect the highly paid education administrators that do a lot of > the lesson development > are responsible for that. My daughter spent 2 years pursuing a education > degree. She then spent a few weeks > as a teaching assistant in a real school and decided she'd made a poor > choice. The kids are completely > undisciplined (and cannot be controlled), the lesson plans are prepared by > aforementioned administrators and she > decided to try something else. It was sad to see the spark of excitement > extinguished - she had wanted to be a teacher > for so long and it as crushed by a week of reality. But better then that > later. > > You're right about people judging others by what they say and write - like > the old adage goes - "you don't get a second chance to make a 1st impression." > > I was taught to read phonetically in SC then moved to Va when I was entering > the 6th grade. Va had been 'experimenting' with a new reading tool - kids > were taught to memorize words rather to than sound them out. > This meant only words already known could be read properly and easily. It > was agonizing to hear kids around me > read out loud in class as they progressed through jr high school and then to > high school and the osmosis never took affect for them. ;-\ They read like > 2nd graders all the way to HS graduation. No wonder they hated reading. > It's surprising any were able to learn anything else - each reading > assignment was awful for them. > > I have a pretty low opinion of the administrators who came up with this > nonsense. > > That's what our property tax money is used for - "experiments with the > futures of a generation". How incredibly stoopid. > > LarryT > 91 300D > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:08 PM > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... > >> They tried the "spell it any way you want; It doesn't matter" crap on our >> kids 15-20 years ago in the "best in the state" schools. We told the kids >> it does matter, because people do judge you by the way you speak and write, >> especially if you want to have a good income. Both are good writers and >> speakers now. >> >> That kind of writing may be ok to Alsharpton but the original posing on this >> list is proof to me that spelling does matter. >> >> On 11/20/09 4:09 PM, R A Bennell wrote: >>> Not sure what the status is in the USA but I can tell you that in Canada in >>> the past 15 years or more, spelling and >>> grammer have not been considered important in the grade schools. My 21 year >>> old son writes like that and he has a >>> highschool diploma and a year of trade school college. He is an apprentice >>> auto tech working in a shop. He works so >>> many hours and then goes back to the college for a couple of months and >>> then works more hours etc. He is working on >>> his 3rd level hours now so he will have 2 more stints in college before he >>> ultimately is a licences journeyman. >>> They told them it was more important to get their ideas on paper than it >>> was to do it correctly at the outset. I >>> think they thought the students would become proficient by osmosis or >>> something. In my son's case, it just did not >>> happen because he was the sort of kid who did not let that sort of thing >>> worry him. They told him it was Ok so he >>> did it that way. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV >>> SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 >>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:36 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... >>> >>> >>> Yeah, I was being rather rude there, but I just couldn't resist a cheap >>> shot. I suspect that poor spelling and grammar in many cases is the >>> result of sheer laziness, but it could also be due to something beyond a >>> person's control ala Wonko The Sane's clients... >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M >>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:04 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL award winning ad writer of the day... >>> >>> Based on his post, I'd say he's already behind with a few payments. >>> >>> I've checked a few of my emails after posting, and I know, I have no >>> right to point fingers or laugh. ;-) >>> >>> Ed >>> 300E >>> >>> 2009/11/20 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310< >>> meade.m.dil...@navy.mil> >>> >>> >>>> A very nice and one of the best mercedes car roled form the german >>>> bavarian company. >>>> A vey nice florida car daily drive with6 cyclinder 3.0 liter engine. >>>> I am very sad to let go of the car but need the money for my college. >>>> Please contact me thorught my phone:239 595 8645. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Johnny. >>>> >>>> -------------------- >>>> >>>> I hope his college classes include elementary grammar. >>>> >>>> Very respectfully, >>>> /s/ >>>> LCDR Max Dillon >>>> '87 300TD 316k miles >>>> '95 E300 274k miles >>>> Charleston SC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives >>> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
