Is this a W126? Chris John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you all for your comments- wow, what a response! Here is an update.
The sound can be described as the kind of sound / clunk that one would get by taking a rubber mallet and hitting the underside frame of the car while driving. It makes this sound when EITHER wheel hits an uneven patch of road. It is a kind of thump and hollow sound. Another obversation- the car tracks perfectly, as good as it gets. I'm going to go ahead and change the sway bar bushing out- they look a bit loose. Can I just take the bar off for a test? The bushings are cheap, but take a week to get. Thank for continued help. John John Petesron '91 300D 2.5 74k ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Booth" To: "Mercedes mailing list" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Sway Bar Bushings? > John Peterson wrote: >> Regarding my front end clunk on bumps at low speeds, someone suggested >> that >> I check / replace the front anti-sway bar bushings. Parts are cheap, >> $30, >> and it is DIY job. Does anyone think this could be the clunk (dealer >> says >> new control arms and bushings but I doubt this at 74k) I am trying to get >> rid of? Any way to test the anti-sway bushings? I found the rubber >> hard, >> but not rock hard. It is very hard to tell where front end sounds are >> coming from > > There seems to be a rush to condemn the ball joints now. I've NEVER > experienced "clunks on bumps at low speeds" when the ball joints were > bad (but if they are REALLY bad they could I suppose). That HAS been a > consistent presenting symptom with bad sway bar bushings. Bad ball > joints (as well as bad rear suspension links) do permit the front end to > seem "nervous" requiring a lot of attention when driving at highway > speeds. In my experience, ball joints outlast sway bar bushings by at > least 3:1. Control arm bushings and ball joints usually last AT LEAST > 200kmi miles (and can last a lot longer if you drive 20+kmi a year). > Early sway bar bushings however, often failed after 4-6 years and even > the revised ones might not be expected to last more than 100-150kmi. I > have revised bushings on two cars, but they don't have even 75kmi on > them and that's true of MOST people that have replaced the bushings on > 124s. > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) > "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 > turbo 237kmi > > _______________________________________ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _______________________________________ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 209K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 18 23:21:42 2005 Received: from web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.201.217]) by server1.arterytc1.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EdFY6-00046x-Cd for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:21:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 83585 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 23:21:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vIpsWpf9jaHnsbokJP4d9SQkQ+Y+Ea+gTSHQn0BtWzacGgj7nPiA0UabWTcKpTI5dT1K4x/Y7STAJ1UKAHW8sKojA6yLtEhel3c2Hiab2DnX8IWW2kk5cKCfJ4sXX9lURoih60JCKuY5zA7IWT/IMsJW4+nqAaFSskoBVA0vf7Y= ; Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [66.140.70.226] by web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:21:39 PST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Sway Bar Bushings? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:21:42 -0000 Never mind, just looked at the subject line! Chris Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is this a W126? Chris John Peterson wrote: Thank you all for your comments- wow, what a response! Here is an update. The sound can be described as the kind of sound / clunk that one would get by taking a rubber mallet and hitting the underside frame of the car while driving. It makes this sound when EITHER wheel hits an uneven patch of road. It is a kind of thump and hollow sound. Another obversation- the car tracks perfectly, as good as it gets. I'm going to go ahead and change the sway bar bushing out- they look a bit loose. Can I just take the bar off for a test? The bushings are cheap, but take a week to get. Thank for continued help. John John Petesron '91 300D 2.5 74k ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Booth" To: "Mercedes mailing list" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Sway Bar Bushings? > John Peterson wrote: >> Regarding my front end clunk on bumps at low speeds, someone suggested >> that >> I check / replace the front anti-sway bar bushings. Parts are cheap, >> $30, >> and it is DIY job. Does anyone think this could be the clunk (dealer >> says >> new control arms and bushings but I doubt this at 74k) I am trying to get >> rid of? Any way to test the anti-sway bushings? I found the rubber >> hard, >> but not rock hard. It is very hard to tell where front end sounds are >> coming from > > There seems to be a rush to condemn the ball joints now. I've NEVER > experienced "clunks on bumps at low speeds" when the ball joints were > bad (but if they are REALLY bad they could I suppose). That HAS been a > consistent presenting symptom with bad sway bar bushings. Bad ball > joints (as well as bad rear suspension links) do permit the front end to > seem "nervous" requiring a lot of attention when driving at highway > speeds. In my experience, ball joints outlast sway bar bushings by at > least 3:1. Control arm bushings and ball joints usually last AT LEAST > 200kmi miles (and can last a lot longer if you drive 20+kmi a year). > Early sway bar bushings however, often failed after 4-6 years and even > the revised ones might not be expected to last more than 100-150kmi. I > have revised bushings on two cars, but they don't have even 75kmi on > them and that's true of MOST people that have replaced the bushings on > 124s. > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) > "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 > turbo 237kmi > > _______________________________________ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _______________________________________ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 209K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 209K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 18 23:37:05 2005 Received: from web51812.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.39.231]) by server1.arterytc1.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EdFmz-0005NO-8E for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:37:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 78227 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 23:37:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=woHaHoYAscZ+VQYFkEr5BVLSEqVhtbERthSwt7NnFmRoh9xA3IsTYBtQNQjwGQg9uTfx8R43bV4IshMwtkSWz+QLBBK5ghPv3tRMBLgdaSiHRMXOv0ZUF8t6agFrmdXjDUPLbvnFEtwZ3SbZsrb/oVR1aB/gdDgfgs0a9kd23Qc= ; Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [130.76.32.16] by web51812.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:37:01 PST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:37:01 -0800 (PST) From: B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CD X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:37:05 -0000 Don, Regarding the 85 300CD, 1. It has a range of small improvements over prior W123 years. 2. You might get a California car with a Trap Oxidizer, make sure it has been dealer modified to a catalytic converter 3. Prices for parts from Rusty are almost always the same as other W123s but the CA air cleaner is 3X the price of the standard W123 version 4. Prices are all over the map. Clean examples are available for $3000 but go quickly. 5. 85 TDs are also in high demand and command a premium. SDLs seem to be quite numerous for some reason, at least around here. 6. Awesome, but a W116 is needed to complete the collection. 7-9. And how many have you had so far today? Cheers, Bruce Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't remember who said this but somebody said that the 1985 300CD was the pinnacle of something or other (german engineering or at least great MB diesel technology). I do REALLY like the looks of the 300CD and may even try to find one. I have a few questions regarding them. 1. Is the 1985 really that much more desireable because it was the last year? 2. Are there particular things to watch out for on these cars (1981-85) that is different than the other 123's. 3. It seems like when I look at parts prices the 1985 is always separate from the ~81-84, and the 85 parts seems to be more expensive. Is this accurate and if so, why? 4. How do these range in price, given their rarity? 5. Is a nice 300CD as hard to find as a nice SDL or a 123 TD? 6. How cool would it be to have a 1987 300D, a 1987 300SDL, a 1987 300TD (or 1985 300TD), and a 1985 300CD? 7. Does anybody really know what time it is? 8. Does anybody really care? 9. I actually really like Pabst Blue Ribbon. Do you? Donald H. 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Content preview: Hendrik Riessen wrote: > Interesting thing is that top speeds > rating in the owners manual states that a 5 speed W123 will go faster in 4th > than 5th for example a 230E fitted with 5 speed will according to the > operators manual do 112 mph in 4th and 105 mph in 5th. > [...] Content analysis details: (-4.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -3.3 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 1.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAKE UP FOLKS, Euro 85 300D manny tranny X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:38:37 -0000 Hendrik Riessen wrote: > Interesting thing is that top speeds > rating in the owners manual states that a 5 speed W123 will go faster in 4th > than 5th for example a 230E fitted with 5 speed will according to the > operators manual do 112 mph in 4th and 105 mph in 5th. > That's not uncommon on cars where 5th is a tall overdrive and top speed is drag-limited instead of governed. In 5th gear the engine may be too far behind the torque peak to overcome the aerodynamic resistance at high speeds.
