I honestly think there is some voodoo involved in bleeding and adjusting VW brakes. Have you tried sacrificing a chicken under a full moon??
Allan Michael Canfield <slozuk...@gmail.com> writes: > Dan, > I have bench bled 2 masters a dozen or more times. I have checked, double > checked and checked again that the master could return all of the way and > has the proper clearance. I have replaced the under the trunk lid reservoir > with a Volvo unit that snaps right on the top of the master cylinder. I > have gravity bled, I have pumped the pedal til my leg was going to fall off, > I have vacuum bled, I have pressure bled and I have made sure the shoes are > adjusted as tight as they can be and STILL no luck. > On Sep 5, 2011 10:14 AM, "Dan Penoff" <lwb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Be sure to bleed the master cylinder before installing it. >> >> One other thing that I found really critical when it came to VW brakes > -make sure the clevis pin on the pedal is adjusted for 1-2mm clearance when > the pedal is at rest. If the piston in the master cylinder can't return all > the way you'll never get good pedal. >> >> Don't ask me how I know this... >> >> Dan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Michael Canfield <slozuk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Max, >>> Discs would be a nice upgrade but all of my drum parts are new. Just have >>> not been able to get a good pedal. Pump the crap out of them and it will >>> lock the rear wheels but nothing on the front with two different master >>> cylinders. If Grant's backwards but logical method doesn't work I am > going >>> to try an OE German master cylinder and bleed again, hopefully with > better >>> results. >>> >>> Mike >>> On Sep 5, 2011 9:13 AM, "Max Dillon" <meadedil...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>> You need some disc brake parts from a Porch of the same era, Roger knows >>> where one is... >>>> >>>> Max (learned to drive on cars with drum brakes) >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>> >>>> Michael Canfield <slozuk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Grant, >>>> Brilliant idea. I have a VW Bug that runs about 12.5 seconds in the1/4 >>>> mile but seems to take a 1/2 mile to stop after replacing every brake > part >>>> and going through gallons of brake fluid trying different methods of >>>> bleeding. I am going to the parts store asap to get the oil pump can and > I >>>> am certain your method will finally get the job done. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Mike >>>> Who wishes he had mines big enough to park his M37's in. >>>> On Sep 4, 2011 7:27 PM, "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Over the past 40 years I have owned, I believe, every pressure bleed >>> brake >>>>> system, vacuum bleed system, and every other crackpot tool invented to >>>> bleed >>>>> brakes. They now all reside on my tool collection board of tools that >>> cost >>>>> loads of money, don't work well [or not at all] and "I would never buy >>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> Some years ago I started using a system that DOES work well, Doesn't > cost >>>>> much, and so far hasn't failed me. It allows me to bleed both hydraulic >>>>> clutch systems and brake systems without a helper, truly one man. Since > I >>>>> started using it, I now change out the hydraulic fluids as a regular >>>>> scheduled item. >>>>> >>>>> Here is how it works for me: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Open the master cylinder cover, lay a clean cloth over it [stray >>>>> dirt/bugs/etc are forbidden] >>>>> >>>>> 2. >>>>> Hook a common squeeze bulb [like you siphon gas into your lawn mower >>> with] >>>>> to the bleed nipple farthest from the master cylinder [play with fuel >>> line >>>>> hose sizes to get it done for your particular application]... drop the >>>> exit >>>>> hose into a receiving container [you are going to dispose of it right?] >>> If >>>>> you already have a hand vacuum pump with a receiver bottle... that can >>>> work >>>>> as well. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Squeeze pump the old fluid out of the master cylinder till it's > empty, >>>>> repeat operation 2. for each bleed nipple to evacuate each line from > the >>>>> master to wheel cylinder. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Wipe clean all the "gunk" left inside the Master Cylinder. [I often >>> use >>>>> spray brake cleen at this point to get all the slime, then carefully > dry >>>> it >>>>> out] >>>>> >>>>> 5. Using an old fashioned metal hand pump oil can [like your > grandfather >>>>> had... they are still available... cost maybe $5... and never use it > for >>>>> oil... just this] fill it with brake fluid.. attach a properly sized >>>> length >>>>> of fuel hose to the squirt tube and the other end to the brake bleed >>>> nipple. >>>>> I like to use a generous length here so I can work outside the wheel >>>> instead >>>>> of under the car... >>>>> >>>>> 6. Lay the cover loosely over the Master Cylinder.. [CAUTION.. if you > do >>>> not >>>>> do this you will have brake fluid where you do not want it,, plus a > mess >>>> to >>>>> clean up] >>>>> >>>>> 7. Start pumping brake fluid backwards from the nipple... to the master >>>>> cylinder... start at the longest line run first... WATCH FOR FLUID AT > THE >>>>> MASTER CYLINDER... it will come nicely.. DO NOT fill the master from > only >>>>> one nipple.... >>>>> >>>>> 8. Go to the next longest line.. pump brake fluid same way... increase >>>> fluid >>>>> amount in Master cylinder... go to next longest.. etc etc... >>>>> >>>>> 9. Of course, close each nipple when you are done pumping at that >>> station. >>>>> Top off the Master Cylinder to required level... >>>>> >>>>> 10. Brakes are now bled... all air has been pushed from lowest point to >>>>> highest point.. a direction of travel that follows laws of nature and >>>>> physics.. >>>>> >>>>> Total cost for tools... something less than $15. System how has clean >>>> fluid >>>>> from top to bottom... SHMBO has not been disturbed or irritated with >>> "pump >>>>> it more" commands. [you know how well that is received... in summer > heat >>>> or >>>>> winter cold right?] >>>>> >>>>> CAUTION:.. DO NOT let the pump can run out of fluid. Check the Master >>>>> Cylinder often, [ie. don't over fill it, easy to do with this system] > If >>>>> that should happen, just suck some out with your hand squeeze bulb into >>>> the >>>>> receiving container. Check the pump can also. If you pump air instead > of >>>>> fluid because you let the can run empty.. you get to start over.... >>>>> OOOooooppppssss... >>>>> >>>>> Works for me... HTH,,,[Hope This Helps,] >>>>> >>>>> Grant... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Max Dillon <meadedil...@bellsouth.net >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have both pressure bleeder and mity vac, the pressure bleeder is >>> great. >>>>>> However, when installing a new master cylinder, I run a line from >>> bleeder >>>>>> valve on nearest caliper back to the reservoir, fill the reservoir, > and >>>> pump >>>>>> the fluid around in a circle (master cylinder to caliper via hard > brake >>>>>> line, caliper back to reservoir via tube from bleeder valve) until no >>>> more >>>>>> bubbles are present, then pressure or gravity bleed to make sure all > the >>>> air >>>>>> is out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Max >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Herrman <jer...@san.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, I will start out by acknowledging that this question is premature >>> in >>>>>> that I have done no research or checking before asking this question. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a "one-size-fits-all" brake bleeder? I have various cars >>>> spannning >>>>>> the last 50 years, and each seems to have a different master cylinder >>>> (M/C) >>>>>> configuration. The cars are listed below. >>>>>> Having recently changed a M/C, and having spent considerable time >>>> bleeding >>>>>> the brakes by the tried and true "pump the brake pedal by myself" >>> method, >>>> I >>>>>> thought surely a pressurized bleeder would save time and aggravation. >>>>>> Is this true? Is it easy to work? Can I have one bleeder which will do >>>> them >>>>>> all? >>>>>> Confession time - I have never changed brake fluid, unless it was >>>> necessary >>>>>> after opening the system and replacing parts I would like now to be > able >>>> to >>>>>> do this on a regular basis. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry >>>>>> >>>>>> 82 MB 240D >>>>>> 60 Olds >>>>>> 72 Ford F250 >>>>>> 91 Volvo 240 >>>>>> 05 Odyssey (wife made me buy it) >>>>>> 07 Highlander (wife's car) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>> signature >>>>>> database 6435 (20110904) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
