'Flew over the pole several times, myself.
'Knew of B-47's being fired upon; one even shot down - McCone and crew.
'Never heard of a B-52 being fired upon in the polar area. ('May have
been - I just didn't know about it.)
BTW, B-52G's were built in 1957-59; H's in '60, '61. (Well, they have those
SN's, anyway; may not have been completed during those times.)
Wilton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Thomas" <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fateful B-52 flight revealed plane's deadly weakness
I had a girlfriend in college whose father had been a navigator, he told me
he had seen B-52s come back from missions around the north pole with their
tails ventilated by the rooshans. I guess things got a little touchy now
and then.
--R
On 1/15/13 11:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
Oh, well, of course - couple of the differences between "early" (A
through F models) and G and H models - vertical stabilizers on G's and
H's are 7 feet shorter; spoilers on top of wing replaced ailerons. I
started in E' and F's for a few hours of training in '62; then
operational in G's for 6 years; off active duty for 3 years; to H's for
four years with a 6-month stint in D's to Vietnam; civil engineering for
4 years; back to G's for 2 1/2 years. I never thought of shorter
vertical stabilizer as a "fix" for shearing off one, though - 'could
reduce some side forces, but an H model lost most of vertical stabilizer
in mountain wave turbulence above NM in Jan '64 and landed safely
Wilton
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fateful B-52 flight revealed plane's deadly weakness
OK. In simple terms, they wacked the top several feet off the vertical
tail
and removed the ailerons. This produced interesting control
coordination:
when you bank you need to add power and up elevator (both more than
expected) to maintain level flight. Even so, there were guys (back then
all
guys) that flew them with amazing precision, like behind a tanker.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
WILTON
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:11 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fateful B-52 flight revealed plane's deadly weakness
Well, we were restricted to 270 knots IAS at low level (altitude) for
years.
I think any other "fix" for it may have been done during the 3 years I
was
off active duty, and I don't remember what it was. When I left G models
at
Robins, restriction was still on; when I came back to H models 3 years
later, restriction was off. Remind me; I don't remember.
Wilton
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fateful B-52 flight revealed plane's deadly weakness
Wilton,
Tell them how the USAF modified the airplane to reduce the structural
loads.
I think all those with an aviation perspective will find it amusing.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
WILTON
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:50 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fateful B-52 flight revealed plane's deadly weakness
Yes, and very aware of additional warnings in flight manual re.
mountain
wave, excessive turbulence, side loads on vertical stabilizer, etc.
Wilton
----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig" <diese...@pisquared.net>
To: <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fateful B-52 flight revealed plane's deadly weakness
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:11:39 -0500 "Gerry Archer"
<arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote:
ELEPHANT MOUNTAIN, Maine -
Flying low over snowy terrain on a Cold War training mission, Lt.
Col.
Dan Bulli's massive B-52 bomber hit turbulence that shook the plane
so
violently that he couldn't read the gauges. Pulling back on the yoke
and pushing forward on the throttle, he tried to fly out of the
severe
wind. Then there was a loud bang.
Moving at about 325 mph, the unarmed bomber banked, nose down, toward
the unforgiving winter wilderness below. Unable to control the plane,
Bulli signaled for the crew to eject.
I'm sure Wilton was glad the design was improved.
I'm also sure Wilton was glad he wasn't the one who discovered the
weakness.
Craig
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