Houses along at least some parts of the Delaware River have had to be raised. The alternatives are houses that cannot be sold or insured as one might expect. A shame because some are pretty nice.
One reason most cemeteries are built on high ground! The ones that didnt either became a mess or were destroyed. Yuk. On Friday, February 1, 2013, clay monroe wrote: > Given that everybody has signed off on global climate change, the rising > water and stronger storms would seem to preclude allowing people to build > close to the storm surge zone and expect to be insured against almost > guaranteed loss. > > I would advocate the same inability for people living near rivers that > flood constantly expecting to win the lottery every other year when they > fail to learn from the lessons of past flooding. Either build so high that > you are impacted only once in 75 years, or accept that you will lose > everything on an annual basis. > > This is like complaining that you keep getting raped when you live > surrounded at close quarters by serial rapist. > > clay > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: > > > The federal government should not be in the business of flood insurance. > > If State Farm, etc wants to offer flood insurance they can be my guest. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Jaime Kopchinski > > <jaime...@gmail.com<javascript:;> > >wrote: > > > >> So you don't think the people who paid their flood insurance premiums > >> should be paid for their loss? > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano > >> <brian.tosc...@gmail.com<javascript:;> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> If New Jersey wants to rebuild its shore with its own money its fine > with > >>> me. I lived in New Jersey for over 20 years. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jaime Kopchinski > >>> <jaime...@gmail.com<javascript:;> > >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm surprised you seem to have so much hate and disgust for the Jersey > >>>> shore. You've been there? How about the rest of our state? What > >> makes > >>>> you think we should not be supported by our government during a time > of > >>>> catastrophe like any other part of the country? > >>>> > >>>> Jaime > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Toscano < > >> brian.tosc...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The only LUST is by New Jersey government to make sure they have > >> their > >>>>> hands in everyone's pocket. They'll make you spend tens of thousands > >>> of > >>>>> dollars for a cup of heating oil. But foolishly allow development on > >>> the > >>>>> beach and then demand billions in federal aid when a storm rolls > >>> through. > >>>>> The Jersey shore and the rest of that state can rot in hell as far > >> as > >>>> I'm > >>>>> concerned. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel < > >>>> astrasfo...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> This is called LUST > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Leaking Underground Storage Tanks > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Jaime Kopchinski < > >>> jaime...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > >>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> I don't know for sure, but the township might have records of > >> these > >>>>> kinds > >>>>>>> of things. And there are other clues... if there is a newer tank > >> in > >>>> the > >>>>>>> basement, where was the old one, for example. I think he had a > >>> small > >>>>>> patch > >>>>>>> in the driveway where they worked on the tank, so that probably > >>> gave > >>>> it > >>>>>>> away. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Plus, its common to do a tank scan now with a special metal > >>> detector. > >>>>> We > >>>>>>> just sold our house and the buyer requested one. Our house was > >>>> heated > >>>>> by > >>>>>>> natural gas, but was built in 1937. There was no evidence of oil > >>>>> having > >>>>>>> been used, or not used, so a scan was the final call. It was > >>> quite a > >>>>>>> relief when we passed the test! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jaime > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Brian Toscano < > >>>>> brian.tosc...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jaime, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> How did they discover the tank and the leak? Disclosure - has > >>> there > >>>>>> ever > >>>>>>>> been an underground oil tank? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am wondering because I will one day be dealing with a tank > >> that > >>>>> pumped > >>>>>>>> and filled with sand. That tank is under a concrete slab/front > >>>> porch. > >>>>>> The > >>>>>>>> house was converted to natural gas 20 years ago. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Underground heating oil tanks are very common here in northern > >>> New > >>>>>> Jersey > >>>>>>>>> where many houses were built from the 1920s-50s. In many > >> cases, > >>>>> there > >>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>> no natural gas service available and oil was the best > >> solution. > >>>>>> Slowly, > >>>>>>>>> all these houses have had their tanks removed. Lucky ones > >>> remove > >>>>> them > >>>>>>>>> without any event. Unlucky ones have a leaking tank that > >> turns > >>>> into > >>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>> environmental disaster. Its enough of a problem here that you > >>> can > >>>>>> get an > >>>>>>>>> insurance policy to protect yourself. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We are house shopping now and any house with an underground > >> tank > >>>> is > >>>>> a > >>>>>> big > >>>>>>>>> red flag. To buy such a house, its common to request the tank > >>> to > >>>> be > >>>>>>>>> removed as a condition of sale. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My neighbor in my old neighborhood got really screwed. He had > >>> the > >>>>>> tank > >>>>>>>>> pumped and filled with sand, as was the common practice 10-15 > >>>> years > >>>>>> ago. > >>>>>>>>> He passed away and the family tried to sell the house. They > >>> can't > >>>>>> find > >>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>> documentation about what was done to the tank. An inspection > >>>> showed > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> soil around the tank was contaminated. The sale fell threw, > >> and > >>>> now > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> house is in foreclosure because the family just can't deal > >> with > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> bills. > >>>>>>>>> The tank is under the driveway and on the properly line of the > >>>>>> neighbors. > >>>>>>>>> The property is probably 60 ft wide... extracting the > >>> contaminated > >>>>>> soil > >>>>>>>>> involves pulling up two driveways, working against the > >>> foundation > >>>> of > >>>>>>>>> houses, etc. Its a real shame, the house is just beautiful. > >>> But > >>>>> its > >>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>> vacant for two years now and its deteriorating fast. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jaime > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond < > >>>>> curtlud...@yahoo.com <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> No basements in Alaska? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no > >>> problems > >>>>> with > >>>>>>>> fuel > >>>>>>>>>> gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally > >> live > >>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> trailers... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -Curt > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:21:04 -0800 > >>>>>>>>>> From: clay monroe <redgh...@comcast.net > >>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;><javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com<javascript:;> > >>>> <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues > >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: < > >> 832b9524-ae4a-4ebc-87d0-85196c15f...@comcast.net <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> A proportion of the NE heats with Citgo and that is > >>> underwritten > >>>>> by > >>>>>> our > >>>>>>>>>> buddy Hugo Chavez. When he dies, that subsidy goes away. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> There is no great use of heating oil in Alaska that I am > >> aware > >>>> of. > >>>>>> Too > >>>>>>>>>> much freeze to allow it to flow and severe enviro-weenie > >>>>> regulations > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> do not allow it to be stored under ground anyway. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> clay > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:51 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> You forget oil. Much of the northeast heats with oil. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> In older houses here hydronic is pretty common, usually in > >>> the > >>>>>> form > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> baseboard hot water though theres still a fair amount of > >> steam > >>>>>> around. > >>>>>>>>> Its > >>>>>>>>>> much easier to add (like in my house) baseboard than to run > >>>> ducts > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> hot > >>>>>>>>>> air. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -Curt > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Jaime Kopchinski > >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaimekop.com/ > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>>>>>> > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Jaime Kopchinski > >>>>>>> http://www.jaimekop.com/ > >>>>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>>>> To search list archives <http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/>>> _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
