First, I would like to thank all of you for your kind thoughts.  They do help.

That Dad was able to pass as rapidly and serenely as it seemed is a good thing. 
 I would not wish anything but a quick death upon any but the most heinous of 
people.  My father was a tough bird and fought hard to remain above ground no 
matter what insults his body gave him.  When the quality of life no longer 
merited that resolve, it was good that letting go allowed him to find swift 
peace.

After looking into just what was used for him, I think it was much like having 
dental surgery, colonoscopy, or pre-surgical medication.  He was far from 
alert, but able to be there mentally in some manner.  Not with it enough that 
he would have remembered, had he survived.  Enough morphine to keep the agony 
at bay, and tranquil so that what was happening was not exceedingly disturbing 
for him.  Still, a less than elegant departure.

clay

On Apr 28, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> From: "clay" <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Educated in China, she is in her late 30's and specializes in breast cancer. 
>>  Head of that department at a small rural health care shop, as well as at 
>> the local Sisters of Providence hospital.  That is how Dad got hooked up 
>> with her.  The gastric/geriatric onc was headed out of town for three weeks 
>> after he diagnosed dad.  Dame onc waited to get Dad in for chemo, then 
>> forgot to schedule patient visit for four months.
>> Dad had extensive comorbidity, from melanoma, prostate, squameous cell, as 
>> well as congestive heart failure, TIA, three bypasses, long term kidney 
>> stone history.  Gastro shop noted polyp in 2009, but did not mention it 
>> would need treatment, so in 2012 it had gone malignant.  Metastasized to 
>> liver and in the blood by then.
>> Dame onc did not follow AAOS guidelines for treatment of geriatric patients 
>> by using nuetrafil boosters, adjusting dosage to account for patient age for 
>> chemo, noted, but did nothing about the edema that got worse until pleural 
>> effusion took out his lungs over five months.  Pretty much just a technician 
>> following some standardized set of procedures more relevant to healthy young 
>> woman breast cancer than inoperable gastric in an octogenarian with 
>> extensive comorbidity.  She did not even try to coordinate care with his 
>> other physicians until my attorney contacted the head of oncology to inquire 
>> about the slap dash methodology.  That was three weeks ago.
>> Dad was not into making a fuss, so I was told to let it go.  This is what I 
>> expect will be the norm under oblama-we-don't-care.
>> clay
> 
> You may be right, Clay, the U.S. brings in foreign trained doctors instead of 
> training enough of its own.  Some are excellent but others are not.
> 
> Losing someone we love is never easy, but in your fathers case; with all his 
> problems; it may have been for the best.  Hopefully they gave him enough 
> narcotics to ease his passing.
> Gerry
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>> 
>>> Too bad, Clay.  What did the onco do or not do?
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> From: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
>>>> My condolences.  That sucks.
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM, clay <redgh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I appreciate the sentiment.  I just spent last night holding my father's
>>>>> hand while he passed away.  One long and disappointing event.  Medical
>>>>> stupidity did him in.  Oncologist could not get her head out of her rear
>>>>> long enough to think through how geriatric patient might be different than
>>>>> some 40 year old dame with boob cancer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> clay
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> >> From a friend:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As I approach my twilight years, I am struck by the inevitability >> 
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> the party must end. And one clear, cold morning after I'm gone, my spouse
>>>>> will awaken in the warmth of our bedroom and be struck with the pain of
>>>>> learning that sometimes there isn't "anymore."
>>>>> >> No more hugs, no more special moments to celebrate together, no more
>>>>> phone calls just to chat, no more "just one minute."
>>>>> >> Sometimes, what we care about the most gets all used up and goes >> 
>>>>> >> away,
>>>>> never to return before we can say goodbye, or say "I love you."
>>>>> >> So while we have it, its best we love it, care for it, fix it when >>  
>>>>> >> >> it's
>>>>> broken and heal it when it's sick.
>>>>> >> This is true for marriage.....And old cars, and children with bad
>>>>> report cards, and dogs with bad hips, and aging parents and grandparents.
>>>>> We keep them because they are worth it, because we are worth it.
>>>>> >> Some things we keep -- like a best friend who moved away or a son in
>>>>> law after divorce. There are just some things that make us happy, no 
>>>>> matter
>>>>> what.
>>>>> >> Life is important, like people we know who are special. And so, we >>  
>>>>> >> >> keep
>>>>> them close!
>>>>> >> Suppose one morning you never wake up, do all your friends know how >> 
>>>>> >>  >> you
>>>>> really feel? The important thing is to let every one of your friends know
>>>>> your true feelings, even if you think they don't love you back.
>>>>> >> So, just in case I'm gone tomorrow, please rest assured I voted >> >> 
>>>>> >> against
>>>>> that a--hole, Obama.
>>>>> >
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