Grimes Golden is the perfect apple here -- a friend of mine in grade school had one in their yard that was more or less completely unpruned and produced huge amounts of very large, wonderful apples every year with no "user intervention" other than picking them.

Pretty much gone now, they bloom and ripen over an extended period and hence the orchards don't grow them. Too expensive.

The current apple called "Red Delicious" was selected strictly for it's bearing behavior. It has never, to the best of my knowledge, been a decent apple, wherever it's grown. It's mealy, bitter, and unpleasant here, with a thick bitter skin. Picked early, before it gets mealy (and without growth hormones to change it's shape) it's sour with a thick, bitter skin. An orchardman's apple through and through, not a consumer's apple. Whether or not this is the original I have no information on, but I've never eaten a good one.

I suspect Yellow Delicious is the same, an orchardman's apple. Easier to grow and harvest than other more appealing ones.

And I agree about Washington State apples grown on the dry side of the mountains -- even the Granny Smiths are pointy and pithy, nothing at all like the ones from NZ.

Peter

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