Same attitude the VA has about providing service.  Too hard to fire the 
clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give.

clay

On May 31, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> The educational system, especially higher ed, is not a customer focused 
> mentality.  It is a world of compliance and deference, where if you challenge 
> the system, no matter how right you are, you're a "troublemaker" and are 
> dealt with accordingly.
> 
> I found this out when I was finishing my degree at USF.  There were numerous 
> instances where the department or professor would dictate that something be 
> done, for example, and compliance was expected no matter what the issue.
> 
> I was halfway through an internship when I realized I hated what I was doing 
> and would never work in that area of education.  I told my supervising 
> professor and teacher that I wanted out, and why.  I also presented how I 
> wanted to proceed with my next internship.
> 
> You would have thought I had stood up in the middle of a crowd of religious 
> zealots and started denouncing their religion.
> 
> They told me I would finish out the semester, like it or not, and if I chose 
> to do something else afterwards that was my business.
> 
> I went to the dean.
> 
> I laid out my reasoning for wanting to bail and my plans for completing my 
> studies.  I also made it clear that I was eating that semester's tuition by 
> taking an incomplete and would obviously incur the cost of another semester 
> of studies.
> 
> I got my "I" that semester along with a new supervising professor for the 
> next semester. I also became the "black sheep" of the department and was 
> shunned by nearly everyone on faculty (I had been working with several 
> faculty members on research projects prior to this.)  People who have 
> returned there to do post grad work have told me that I am held up to new 
> undergrad students (without being named, of course) of an example of what can 
> happen if you're non-compliant.
> 
> When we enrolled my youngest at HCC the people in the bursar's office were 
> giving us a hard time about something, i don't recall what.  When my son 
> asked why the people were being such asshats, I told him, "It's because they 
> could care less if you get in a class or not.  It has no effect on their job 
> what happens to you or what your plight is."
> 
> The person behind the counter could hear me.  They said nothing but glared at 
> us.
> 
> Maybe I should tell the story of when I led a departmental revolt over 
> signing a contract for tuition whose terms were incomplete.....
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> 
>> i didn't have a lot of choice.  we left HS to go to college as HS offered
>> nothing.  it is our legal right to leave at 16 and she is 17.  but then
>> they decided with sabotage and making an example of her.  what else could i
>> have done other than fight them?
>> 
>> once we find a person in the system who believed in the rules of the GED
>> system and was high up enough to override the locals, we were less than 24
>> hours from complete resolution, but it took 2 months to find that person.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Dwight Giles <dwight.gi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Congratulations  Gary  & kudos to you for your persistence in pushing the
>>> system.
>>> Dwight
>>> On May 29, 2014 7:56 PM, "Gary Hurst" <jabbahur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
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