Jury selection would be OK if challenges were severely restricted. On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Well, it is important in the courts that we have juries and jurists who > "look like us" from what I can tell of the current agitators, so I think > you are onto something. > > Here in Charleston there are a coupla cases of white men allegedly > shooting black people, and the local people of color are demanding that the > juries are "representative" which is code for "has a lot of blacks on it." > I have no issue with juries reflecting the prevailing demographics per the > lawyers acceptance/rejection of various candidates, as it is done, but to > clamor for a stacked jury sends the message that black jury members can > somehow be better judges of guilt or innocence of (white) persons accused > of crimes against blacks, or blacks accused of crimes. They have some > convoluted arguments in favor of that approach, that are fairly > incomprehensible. I think a black judge was assigned to the shooter of 9, > for whatever that is worth. > > From what I have observed and have experienced, black folks have some > fairly unreconstructed views on white folks around here, and I will not > entirely dispute their reasons, as some whites have of blacks. The problem > is that it gets injected into everything with no clear means of resolving > the issues, or sometimes even what the issue is. (Of particular note, some > of the local black agitation groups are upset at the school board for some > reasons I have not followed [though it could be any number of things, the > school board is completely incompetent and dysfunctional], and yesterday > they called for a boycott of car dealers by black folks. Car dealers? > WTF? No one can quite figure it out, and so far they have not enlightened > us on their reasoning.) > > --JC > > > On 6/8/16 2:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> Well, I guess the only judge who could even remotely be "fair" to Trump is >> a wasp billionaire. >> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:04 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> wrote: >> >> Interesting line of thought.. >>> >>> The word "Mexican" is a word devised by the Castilian Spanish "pure >>> breds" >>> that conquered the Native Lands now called "Mexico". >>> >>> These pure bred Spaniards came with their weapons, soldiers, and a Royal >>> Edict from the King of Spain, to grab all the gold and silver for Spain, >>> but they came with no women.. So.. >>> >>> They took local indian women to fill their needs.. which produced 1/2 >>> breed >>> children... which the Pure Spanish looked down upon.. they were "bastard >>> 1/2 breeds" and they invented the derisive term "Mexican" which in it's >>> day >>> held the same connotation as the now much reviled "N" word in USA.. >>> >>> It did then,, and it does now, to the ruling class of "pure Spanish" in >>> Mexico define a "lower class of person" not worthy of land ownership, or >>> wealth.. >>> >>> Just a bit of history to chew on.. since, calling someone "Mexican" is >>> actually "racist" by original intent.. >>> >>> < >>> >>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> < >>> >>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a >>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is >>>> kinda interesting. For example, a friend of mine is married to a woman >>>> whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has an >>>> Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point and >>>> spoke Spanish. So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the >>>> "Mexican" (country of origin) "race." Now she is an ultra-lib, so is >>>> easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" she is pretty >>>> much as white as I am (though I have more Cherokee than Lieawatha >>>> Warren) >>>> and I am your prototype white boy. Now a lot of people SOTB are almost >>>> pure pre-European-invader indigenos, they look like Mayans and Aztecs >>>> and >>>> whatnot, or at least not like the European invaders, so I guess they >>>> >>> would >>> >>>> be a definite "race". But a lot of people SOTB are mixed mestizo so >>>> unclear what "race" they are, they are just sorta browner in varying >>>> >>> shades >>> >>>> but not all of them, so they might be "of color." >>>> >>>> It all confuses me. >>>> >>>> --JC >>>> >>>> On 6/8/16 1:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>> LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves >>>>> their masters.. It ain't true. >>>>> >>>>> Here is the issue that Trump actually raised. >>>>> 1. The Judge is a member of a group of lawyers in California that >>>>> >>>> advocate >>> >>>> for and represent, La Raza, [translation "The Race"] which is a >>>>> politically >>>>> militant Latino group that has declared Mr. Trump their sworn enemy >>>>> because >>>>> of his vocal stand against ILLEGAL entry into the USA. >>>>> >>>>> 2. By the Federal Rules of Court, and ALL 50 State Rules of Court, AND >>>>> >>>> the >>> >>>> National Bar Association and ALL 50 State Bar Associations Rules of >>>>> Ethics, >>>>> a Judge or a Lawyer who has ANY association with anyone that could be >>>>> construed as a Conflict of Interest, MUST Recuse themselves. and as a >>>>> Judge, is barred from hearing that case. >>>>> >>>>> 3. This Judge [also a Lawyer] has breached those Rules of Court, and >>>>> the >>>>> Bar Association Rules of Ethics by setting on the bench in this case. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Mr. Trump, called him out on that breach of the rules.. and by the >>>>> Judges OWN rules .. he could be dis-barred from practicing law... AND >>>>> removed as a Judge.. or have sanctions against him... >>>>> >>>>> Nothing racial about that.. except in the case of the Judge's >>>>> affiliations.. >>>>> >>>>> So, again.. Trump is right.. and it's "Always Good to be Right".....;)) >>>>> >>>>> < >>>>> >>>>> >>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a >>> >>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> < >>>>> >>>>> >>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a >>> >>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" >>>>> for >>>>> >>>>>> his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or >>>>>> >>>>> other. >>> >>>> I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja races. >>>>>> >>>>>> --JC >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> --BB >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > -- > --BB > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
