I happen to have several business associates that are practicing lawyers, and on occasion enter into legal discussions on hypothetical legal issues..
One particular spirited discussion was centered around Jury Selection.. The hypothetical question was: Since a person is guaranteed speedy trial by a "jury of his peers" .. does that not impart, in the case of a someone charged as a serial killer, that his "peers" would be 12 serial killers... and that by strict interpretation of the law.. only serial killers could qualify for such jury duty? On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Jury selection would be OK if challenges were severely restricted. > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Well, it is important in the courts that we have juries and jurists who > > "look like us" from what I can tell of the current agitators, so I think > > you are onto something. > > > > Here in Charleston there are a coupla cases of white men allegedly > > shooting black people, and the local people of color are demanding that > the > > juries are "representative" which is code for "has a lot of blacks on > it." > > I have no issue with juries reflecting the prevailing demographics per > the > > lawyers acceptance/rejection of various candidates, as it is done, but to > > clamor for a stacked jury sends the message that black jury members can > > somehow be better judges of guilt or innocence of (white) persons accused > > of crimes against blacks, or blacks accused of crimes. They have some > > convoluted arguments in favor of that approach, that are fairly > > incomprehensible. I think a black judge was assigned to the shooter of > 9, > > for whatever that is worth. > > > > From what I have observed and have experienced, black folks have some > > fairly unreconstructed views on white folks around here, and I will not > > entirely dispute their reasons, as some whites have of blacks. The > problem > > is that it gets injected into everything with no clear means of resolving > > the issues, or sometimes even what the issue is. (Of particular note, > some > > of the local black agitation groups are upset at the school board for > some > > reasons I have not followed [though it could be any number of things, the > > school board is completely incompetent and dysfunctional], and yesterday > > they called for a boycott of car dealers by black folks. Car dealers? > > WTF? No one can quite figure it out, and so far they have not > enlightened > > us on their reasoning.) > > > > --JC > > > > > > On 6/8/16 2:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> Well, I guess the only judge who could even remotely be "fair" to Trump > is > >> a wasp billionaire. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:04 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Interesting line of thought.. > >>> > >>> The word "Mexican" is a word devised by the Castilian Spanish "pure > >>> breds" > >>> that conquered the Native Lands now called "Mexico". > >>> > >>> These pure bred Spaniards came with their weapons, soldiers, and a > Royal > >>> Edict from the King of Spain, to grab all the gold and silver for > Spain, > >>> but they came with no women.. So.. > >>> > >>> They took local indian women to fill their needs.. which produced 1/2 > >>> breed > >>> children... which the Pure Spanish looked down upon.. they were > "bastard > >>> 1/2 breeds" and they invented the derisive term "Mexican" which in it's > >>> day > >>> held the same connotation as the now much reviled "N" word in USA.. > >>> > >>> It did then,, and it does now, to the ruling class of "pure Spanish" > in > >>> Mexico define a "lower class of person" not worthy of land ownership, > or > >>> wealth.. > >>> > >>> Just a bit of history to chew on.. since, calling someone "Mexican" is > >>> actually "racist" by original intent.. > >>> > >>> < > >>> > >>> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a > >>> Virus-free. > >>> www.avast.com > >>> < > >>> > >>> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a > >>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is > >>>> kinda interesting. For example, a friend of mine is married to a > woman > >>>> whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has > an > >>>> Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point > and > >>>> spoke Spanish. So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the > >>>> "Mexican" (country of origin) "race." Now she is an ultra-lib, so is > >>>> easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" she is > pretty > >>>> much as white as I am (though I have more Cherokee than Lieawatha > >>>> Warren) > >>>> and I am your prototype white boy. Now a lot of people SOTB are > almost > >>>> pure pre-European-invader indigenos, they look like Mayans and Aztecs > >>>> and > >>>> whatnot, or at least not like the European invaders, so I guess they > >>>> > >>> would > >>> > >>>> be a definite "race". But a lot of people SOTB are mixed mestizo so > >>>> unclear what "race" they are, they are just sorta browner in varying > >>>> > >>> shades > >>> > >>>> but not all of them, so they might be "of color." > >>>> > >>>> It all confuses me. > >>>> > >>>> --JC > >>>> > >>>> On 6/8/16 1:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > >>>> > >>>> LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves > >>>>> their masters.. It ain't true. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here is the issue that Trump actually raised. > >>>>> 1. The Judge is a member of a group of lawyers in California that > >>>>> > >>>> advocate > >>> > >>>> for and represent, La Raza, [translation "The Race"] which is a > >>>>> politically > >>>>> militant Latino group that has declared Mr. Trump their sworn enemy > >>>>> because > >>>>> of his vocal stand against ILLEGAL entry into the USA. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. By the Federal Rules of Court, and ALL 50 State Rules of Court, > AND > >>>>> > >>>> the > >>> > >>>> National Bar Association and ALL 50 State Bar Associations Rules of > >>>>> Ethics, > >>>>> a Judge or a Lawyer who has ANY association with anyone that could be > >>>>> construed as a Conflict of Interest, MUST Recuse themselves. and as a > >>>>> Judge, is barred from hearing that case. > >>>>> > >>>>> 3. This Judge [also a Lawyer] has breached those Rules of Court, and > >>>>> the > >>>>> Bar Association Rules of Ethics by setting on the bench in this case. > >>>>> > >>>>> 4. Mr. Trump, called him out on that breach of the rules.. and by the > >>>>> Judges OWN rules .. he could be dis-barred from practicing law... AND > >>>>> removed as a Judge.. or have sanctions against him... > >>>>> > >>>>> Nothing racial about that.. except in the case of the Judge's > >>>>> affiliations.. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, again.. Trump is right.. and it's "Always Good to be > Right".....;)) > >>>>> > >>>>> < > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a > >>> > >>>> Virus-free. > >>>>> www.avast.com > >>>>> < > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2322-a > >>> > >>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" > >>>>> for > >>>>> > >>>>>> his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or > >>>>>> > >>>>> other. > >>> > >>>> I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja races. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --JC > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>>> > >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>> > >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>> > >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>> --BB > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________ > >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>> > >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > -- > > --BB > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
