Email Russell at sound german automotive. He seems to know more than most about the 722.6. He is on the FB, and his std and peachparts handle is whipplem104
On Fri, May 11, 2018, 6:59 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Well probably something I will have to tackle at some point soon. BTW, > my c3 is still not right. I was able to get into the transmission > module on that car but it would not read the engine module. I still > have a check engine light that I have no idea what it is and cant clear it. > > > On 5/11/2018 3:16 PM, Dave M. wrote: > > Kaleb, you gotta drop the valve body to remove / inspect the solenoid. > > I don't know much beyond this however. Might not be anything possible > > besides replacing that solenoid with a new one, and I have no idea if > > it's worth the attempt. I guess you could swap that solenoid with a > > different one and see if the problem shift changes too, but that's a > > lotta work... > > > > =) > > > > On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net > > <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>> wrote: > > > > Well that is the one I get the flare on. Guess I need to check the > > solenoid valve. What all is required with that? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 11, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Dave M. <amgd...@gmail.com > > <mailto:amgd...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >> Kaleb, overall the adaptation values look decent, with the > >> exception of the 3-4 upshift. 180Nm is the maximum allowed for > >> 6-cyl engines, which means your adaptation is pegged at the limit > >> for that one particular upshift. The FSM says "Check / replace > >> solenoid valve, clean valve body", but if that doesn't help, > >> there might be a worn-out band or clutch inside. It then says the > >> next step is to take apart the transmission for inspection, check > >> clearances, yadda x3. > >> > >> As Jono said, using Type F (and, re-setting / re-adapting) > >> miiiiight help, assuming you don't want to rebuild the thing on > >> your workbench. > >> > >> See attached PDF. I'll upload this to my site in the Docs / > >> Transmission section as well. > >> > >> =) > >> > >> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >> <ka...@striplin.net <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>> wrote: > >> > >> I did the adaptation per Dave’s method and overall as far as > >> I can tell the shift quality is better but I still have the > >> flare between 3-4. I did not notice the flare between 2-3. We > >> shall see when I drive it more extensively next week. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On May 11, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >> <ka...@striplin.net <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>> wrote: > >> > >>> Ok for some reason the c3 worked fine on the ML so I thought > >>> I would try the 98. It connected and here is the codes I am > >>> getting for trans along with the adaption screen shots. I > >>> have idea if they are good or bad. > >>> > >>> <image1.jpeg> > >>> > >>> image2.jpeg > >>> > >>> image3.jpeg > >>> > >>> image4.jpeg > >>> > >>> <image5.jpeg> > >>> > >>> <image6.jpeg> > >>> > >>> image7.jpeg > >>> > >>> <image8.jpeg> > >>> > >>> image9.jpeg > >>> > >>> image10.jpeg > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On May 11, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Dave M. <amgd...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:amgd...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> When you get the C3 plugged in, take screen shots / photos > >>>> of all the screens and send 'em to us. I have the factory > >>>> docs which show how to interpret the results, and some > >>>> screen shots of my trans, but seems neither are on my > >>>> website (ooops). There are 9 separate screens, see attached > >>>> photos for 2 of them from one of my .6's. I'll scan and > >>>> upload the secret decoder ring. > >>>> > >>>> Forgot about the Sonnax spring kits which help fix specific > >>>> problems on the 722.6 although I don't think this applies > >>>> in your case: > >>>> > http://124performance.com/docs/mb/transmission/722.6/trans_722.6_Sonnax.pdf > >>>> < > http://124performance.com/docs/mb/transmission/722.6/trans_722.6_Sonnax.pdf > > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >>>> <ka...@striplin.net <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> So when I finally am able to get my sds hooked up, what > >>>> numbers am I looking for and what numbers would look bad? > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On May 11, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Dave M. <amgd...@gmail.com > >>>> <mailto:amgd...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Kaleb, after resetting adaptation, you need, to > >>>>> perform the procedure I described to get proper > >>>>> adaptation. You can drive the car normally but IME, > >>>>> this doesn't result in optimum adaptation with a > >>>>> higher-mileage trans. Also, I don't trust > >>>>> driver-control resets... I'd prefer to see the numbers > >>>>> in the SDS all return to zero. It's a shame you > >>>>> already did the reset without SDS, I really was > >>>>> curious what the numbers looked like. If the trans is > >>>>> actually bad the numbers should look lousy again when > >>>>> you get your new C3. > >>>>> > >>>>> About Unkie Kent's videos, change the YouTube setting > >>>>> to play at 2x speed. It is a HUGE help. I wish there > >>>>> was a 3x speed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jono, do you use Type F in the .6 box too? I didn't > >>>>> know that! Thought you only used it in the 4-speeds. > >>>>> > >>>>> =) > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >>>>> <ka...@striplin.net <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I just changed the fluid a month or 2 ago and the > >>>>> pan was clean. I did the rest yesterday as far as > >>>>> turning the key on and pressing the pedal to the > >>>>> floor for 30 seconds or whatever it is. Did not > >>>>> seem to help. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 5/10/2018 8:03 PM, Sixto Orosa wrote: > >>>>>> You don’t need SDS to reset adaptations - > >>>>>> > http://www.mercedesmedic.com/reset-mercedes-benz-transmission-procedure-instructions/ > >>>>>> < > http://www.mercedesmedic.com/reset-mercedes-benz-transmission-procedure-instructions/ > > - > >>>>>> but what you describe sounds more serious. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe you want to note the current setting first > >>>>>> in which case you need SDS. I wouldn’t know what > >>>>>> to do with that information. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is it worth dropping the pan to check for > >>>>>> shavings? IIRC some pre ‘00 transmissions have a > >>>>>> bushing that can bind vs the later needle > >>>>>> bearing. Bushing wear usually means nasty > >>>>>> grinding sounds though, worse than the smooth > >>>>>> whine that precedes limp mode or loss of gear > >>>>>> engagement when there’s fluid in the TCM. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sixto > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On May 10, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >>>>>> <ka...@striplin.net <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have done conductor plates before so I am not > >>>>>>> too worried about that. I guess I should plan > >>>>>>> on swapping it out. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 5/10/2018 7:32 PM, Joe Knight wrote: > >>>>>>>> Yeah, I've had no tranny issues. I'd suspect > >>>>>>>> conductor plate. My one engine issue so far > >>>>>>>> was a misfire of #1 injector. New engine > >>>>>>>> wiring harness seems to have resolved that. But > >>>>>>>> that's not what you're describing so no help > >>>>>>>> I'm afraid. If you decide to attack the > >>>>>>>> conductor plate uncle Kent's vid is way too > >>>>>>>> long winded and convoluted but it does show > >>>>>>>> what's involved. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Dave M. > >>>>>>>> <amgd...@gmail.com <mailto:amgd...@gmail.com>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Kaleb, how old is the conductor plate? 250k > >>>>>>>> is well past the expected lifespan. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Next thing is to reset adaptation, but > >>>>>>>> first get the trans fully hot (80C on the > >>>>>>>> SDS), then reset, then do the manual > >>>>>>>> adaptation. On the 722.6 it should be > >>>>>>>> driving on a flat road at very light > >>>>>>>> throttle, so it upshifts below 1800rpm > >>>>>>>> until 5th gear. Repeat a dozen times or > >>>>>>>> more, then drive the car however you want > >>>>>>>> for 15+ minutes. See if any of that helps. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You could also check the adaptation data > >>>>>>>> and see if any of the numbers are maxed > >>>>>>>> out, or if the fill times are way out of > >>>>>>>> whack. Might want to do that before > >>>>>>>> resetting so you can compare to afterwards. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dunno about the power loss, sounds engine > >>>>>>>> related, not tranny. No fault codes? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Kaleb C. > >>>>>>>> Striplin <ka...@striplin.net > >>>>>>>> <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am starting to have problems with the > >>>>>>>> 722.6 in my 98 e300. Car has 250K on > >>>>>>>> it now. A while back it was starting > >>>>>>>> to flair a little sometimes between 2-3 > >>>>>>>> or 3-4, can't remember which. I did a > >>>>>>>> fluid change and did the spring upgrade > >>>>>>>> as well as changed the plug connector > >>>>>>>> which was leaking. When I pulled the > >>>>>>>> pan it was clean with no metal or any > >>>>>>>> sort of clutch material in the pan. > >>>>>>>> Afterwards that seemed to have fixed > >>>>>>>> the occasional flaring, for about a > >>>>>>>> week or 2. It has slowly been coming > >>>>>>>> back. It first just did it the first > >>>>>>>> shift or 2 of the day. Now it does it > >>>>>>>> more often than not and also flares > >>>>>>>> between 3-4 also. It will either bang > >>>>>>>> into gear or flare on the 2-3 and 3-4 > >>>>>>>> shifts. It also had been on occasion > >>>>>>>> going into limp mode where it would > >>>>>>>> stay in 3rd and not upshift until you > >>>>>>>> shut it off then would be fine after > >>>>>>>> you restarted it. That problem has > >>>>>>>> been getting worse to the point that it > >>>>>>>> did it twice today. Yesterday I pulled > >>>>>>>> the transmission controller to see if > >>>>>>>> there was fluid in it. The connector > >>>>>>>> was a little damp from tranny fluid and > >>>>>>>> I pulled the control board out of the > >>>>>>>> box and there was a little fluid > >>>>>>>> residue in it but it was not pouring > >>>>>>>> out like some pics I have seen online. > >>>>>>>> So WTF is wrong with this thing? Could > >>>>>>>> it be a pending conductor plate > >>>>>>>> failure? Or more serious problems. > >>>>>>>> One other thing. 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