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-----Original Message----- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels? On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Or, to put it another way, "follow the money". > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God) > > some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it! Those laws > > reign over the cult of envirocommies too. > > > > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM: > > > A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab > > > > > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up > > > to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary > > > “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker > Michael > > > Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered > > > last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. > > > > > > The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but > > > piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises > of > > > the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil > > > fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, > > > windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the > > > Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as > > > Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill > > > McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots > climate > > > change movements. > > > > > > Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit > > > 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he > > > wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started > > > pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how > > > inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, > > > since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging > > > stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch > brothers > > > — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their > > > glass production business. > > > > > > “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a > > > phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I > > > believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only > are > > > the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) > > > that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned > > > on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” > > > > > > Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a > > > difficult eye-opener for them as well. > > > > > > “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in > > > the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the > > > electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about > > > that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the > > > windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t > > > tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... > > > Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just > deal > > > with it now, all at once.” > > > > > > It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs > said > > > he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help > offset > > > the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further > > > disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, > McKibben > > > and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on > > > biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to > > > produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can > also > > > be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. > > > > > > He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the > > > biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down > > > enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted > > > into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for > comment > > > from The Associated Press. > > > > > > “I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who > wanted > > > to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore > said. > > > ”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.” > > > > > > They were even nervous to show it to the festival crowd, where they > > > expected maybe a “50-50 response.” Instead, they got a standing > ovation. > > > And there were even members of The Sierra Club there. > > > > > > “It’s up to people who actually share the same values to sometimes call > > > each other out and bring out the uncomfortable truths,” Gibbs said. > “This > > > is not a film by climate change deniers, this is a film by people who > > > really care about the environment.” > > > > > > Although the findings will be disheartening, both Gibbs and Moore say > > > they hope that it inspires people to reset and start thinking > > differently. > > > > > > “Now we can begin to come up with the right solutions that might make a > > > difference ... The film doesn’t have the answers but it will get us > > > asking a better set of questions,” Gibbs said. “I really do trust that > > > when millions of people are discussing an issue, answers will emerge > ... > > > This is what we do as humans, we solve problems, but we’ve got to have > > > the right questions.” > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
