Chinese: It is amazing what you can do when there are NO EPA, FDA, safety controls, and human life is conveniently expendable for the communist good, as dictated by those in power...
"Testing,, we don't need no stinking testing... we try it and that's the test. We have to many people anyway, so no one will miss a few thousand if it doesn't work..." On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Chinese say they have had preliminary success with a combination of an > anti-malarial drug and drugs that have successfully suppressed AIDS. > Gerry > ....................................................................... > On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:06:47 +0000 (UTC) > Max Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for > testing. > > > > > https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/ > > > > > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > > > Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q&A > > > > > > > > > At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of > the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President > Donald Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the > next year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months > better.” > > > > > > But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of > months, and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, > director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of > Philadelphia, is the co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly > 26 years to perfect that protection against a disease that, according to > the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for > severe diarrhea in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006. > > > > > > Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few > months? > > > > > > Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested > in making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple > months ago. That’s not long. > > > > > > [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what > approach you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model > testing to make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in > animals, and that it induces an immune response which would likely be > protective. Then you gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, > and then to make sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, > a lot of time, typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it > into people to see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation. > > > > > > In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola > outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental > vaccine very quickly. > > > > > > I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West > Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks, > people thought, Ha! That’s easy. > > > > > > But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola > vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done > the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic. > > > > > > But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from > scratch. > > > > > > What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine > will be available? > > > > > > I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory > infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of] > coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years. > > > > > > But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, > and now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and > gone. > > > > > > I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s > different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick. > And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then > quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that > they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This > virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by > respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set > of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have the > same mortality rate as flu. > > > > > > There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with > a coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have > immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s > encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging > that it can produce an immune response which is protective and which you > should be able to mimic with vaccination. > > > > > > Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about > safety vs. red tape? > > > > > > If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are > very, very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure it’s > safe. So you want those regulations in place. > > > > > > An example is the dengue vaccine. When it was tested in Latin America > and Philippines, it was found to actually increase your risk of dengue > shock syndrome. Children who were less than 9 years of age, who had never > been exposed to the virus before, were actually more likely to be hurt by > the vaccine than helped by it. Now, you only knew that from doing large > clinical trials with tens of thousands of people. > > > > > > The history of medical breakthroughs is littered with tragedy. You > want to make sure that things are safe. > > > > > > What do you think is behind the apparent willingness to skirt the > rules to rush a vaccine? > > > > > > I think that because we falsely overrate, or incorrectly rate, what > the mortality rate is, we’re willing to accept that things will be rushed > through. In fact, coronavirus doesn’t have a high mortality rate. > > > > > > There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between > 20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only half > the country gets that vaccine. > > > > > > There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from > COVID-19, but everybody would get a vaccine now. > > > > > > The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk. > > > > > > > https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-trump-paul-offit-20200306.html > > > > > > Gerry > > > > ........................................................................ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > -- > arche...@embarqmail.com <arche...@embarqmail.com> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
