Wind and Solar power require backup generation for whenever the sun don't shine 
(most of the time) and the wind don't blow (varies).  As far as infrastructure 
is concerned that means "green" power generation doesn't replace other sources 
but is IN ADDITION to traditional sources.  Also, the spin-up time for many of 
those traditional sources (especially coal) is so long the backup power really 
needs to be fired up all the time anyway.  Natural gas is much faster, of 
course, but it still takes time to boil water.  The true green answer is (and 
has been) nuclear or hydro.  Instead of screwing around with monster windmills 
we should have been researching and developing better nuclear facilities (like 
molten salts) and faster (cheaper) ways to build and license them.  Of course 
the arm-chair environmental dilatants consider nuclear power unacceptable.  If 
they are serious they should try living off the grid.  Maybe that should be a 
law no juice for greenies.  So much of this environmental "science" is tripe.  
What is the environmental damage to build and recharge those trendy electric 
cars?   I'll bet my 82 SD comes out pretty well on that balance sheet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Buggered Benzmail <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blizzard

Some years ago the wind in West Texas just died on New Years Day (I think it 
was). It was really cold and power demand was high. All the wind machines (and 
there were lots) stopped producing and that was a Big Problem as Texas was 
pretty much stand-alone as far as ties into other power grids. So lots of 
people were without power on a day when that was unwelcome. Took a long time to 
spin up other sources, I don’t recall if there was even enough to compensate.  
I think after that the power companies might have added some ties to bring in 
power. 

--R
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> On Feb 14, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Texas is facing the possibility of blackouts as power demand ramps up 
> with the cold weather.
> 
> Apparently wind farms can't operate in icing conditions. Who knew?
> 
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-14/deep-freeze-sends-g
> as-soaring-to-600-over-the-long-u-s-weekend
> 
> Forecast here is for 6-12 inches of snow over the next day or so. 
> Temps have been in single digits. Nothing too out of the ordinary, but 
> the past couple of weeks have been the first "real" winter weather 
> we've had this winter so far. December/January were mostly just chilly 
> with some rain.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> writes:
> 
>> Blizzard is proceeding, temp is 7 outside with wind chill is -10, 
>> snow blowing outside. Heat pump pretty much runs non stop. Over the 
>> last 30 minutes the power has been going out off and on. No good. I 
>> may end up having to haul in some firewood and firing up the 
>> fireplace/insert. It would Most definitely cut down on the heat pump 
>> useable but by the time you pay for firewood I don’t think it would 
>> be any cheaper. I keep firewood around for use in the case of emergency.
>> 
> 
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