And always remember the three “S” - Shoot, Shovel, Shut up. -D
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 3:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > What everyone responded above in the way of prepared and alert family > members. It takes time and effort to get everyone on board with the idea of > actually defending themselves and other members. > > I would add to the above suggestions, the installation and use of well > placed cameras [multiple] with day / night vision and at your option, > motion sensor activation that are hard wired into a recording device [your > choice what works best]. > > Should you need to use lethal force to prevent your death, nothing makes > your case like having it on instant replay, with a talented and > knowledgeable 2A skilled attorney. > As part of becoming prepared, school yourself and all concerned in the > family on how to respond post use of force. > "Anything you say can, and will, be used against you." so school yourself > and family on exactly how to manage things while the criminal who presented > a deadly threat converts to room temperature. > > Suggest you have a look at USCCA. They do a very credible job of classes on > just that issue, as well as having developed a long list of 2A qualified > attorneys you can engage to represent you. The given, in today's world is, > you will most likely be arrested and charged, with "something" for > defending yourself. So, know in advance the laws that apply to your > location. > > Only my suggestions. Avoid any confrontation if you can. Peace and KumbaYa.. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> #4 birdshot in lead is 135 pellets per ounce. It's probably not deadly >> but a load of it would have a STRONG deterrent effect. Within 5-10 feet of >> the muzzle those pellets are all clumped together and will put serious hurt >> on whatever you hit. After about 30 feet the pellets aren't going to >> seriously penetrate a wall making it much safer for bystanders. >> >> The average homeowner type defensive gunfight is going to be 1-2 shots at >> most and is going to be highly panicked and, well lets say it'll be >> difficult. A shotgun will give you 2 things, a much better chance of >> hitting the assailant and a much smaller chance of hitting your neighbors >> through the wall of your house. So on the whole its much safer for other >> good people and much less safe for the bad guy... >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 1:07:44 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or >> killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may >> provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops >> of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link >> my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps >> right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get >> out of control very fast. >> >> I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun >> because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to >> use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I >> started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been >> able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, >> home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that that >> means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus one >> in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver >> for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy and >> dark). >> >> There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the >> Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. If >> an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, >> Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only >> if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let >> them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to tell >> the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator to >> develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you >> want is to be mistaken for an intruder. >> >> Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what >> works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little >> Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a >> curious kid could crack the combo, given time. >> >> Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your >> Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own >> conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were >> trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. >> >> Good luck. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:24 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> >> Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home >> >> I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in >> Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a >> car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, >> why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. >> >> She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking >> out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get >> outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded >> like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this >> story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, >> thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the >> cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear >> voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads >> of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you >> should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s >> been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run >> in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion >> lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
