I suspect it's true for all of them, the technology has come a long way, even 
from the 1970s.

-Curt

 On Monday, February 21, 2022, 08:52:15 PM EST, Dwight Giles 
<dwight.gi...@gmail.com> wrote: 


is that true with MB diesels or only VW? 

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 1:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:
> Newer diesels make a lot more power on less fuel than the older ones too. The 
> 2.0l in my Jetta makes around 145hp and that's with the de-tune from VW. 
> Compare that to 120hp out of the 3.0l 617 turbo. It also starts well in deep 
> cold. I've started it at -5F and it fired right up, no complaints.
> 
> It'll also do 55mpg pretty handily, a 617 turbo dreams of 30mpg...
> 
> I really like the look and feel of a W123 but my Jetta is a lot easier to 
> live with.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  On Monday, February 21, 2022, 01:50:15 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 
> 
> I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.
> 
> The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression and 
> they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working 
> battery/alternator.
> 
> The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate 
> emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.
> 
> I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here. 
>> Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed 
>> all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and 
>> repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to 
>> me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is 
>> squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me 
>> its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me 
>> that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of 
>> empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice 
>> as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as 
>> people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model. 
>>
>> AZBob
> 
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