That would certainly be the way to go, but considering the bulk and location of most batteries, short of a major re-engineering, it’s not practical on current EVs. Someone with some serious design engineering chops should have taken this on already, I would think.
-D > On Dec 11, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I think eventually battery swaps will be widespread. Way better even than > "rapid" charging stations, which take 30 minutes at best. > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 4:28 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> AFAIK they're 18650 cells and can in fact be replaced. Its not something >> an idiot like me can do but there are those who do it... >> >> Speaking of automotive battery swaps this showed up in my email today: >> https://youtu.be/hNZy603as5w?si=EozpouBKmjw7FxmY >> >> >> -Curt >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 03:10:59 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via >> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm thinking that EV batteries need to be modules not some monolithic >> thing, a cell module goes bad, pop another one like a H8 in and be on >> your way. They are just a big pack of like bigger D cells anyway, all >> linked together, so it's not like one or some couldn't be replaced. >> >> --FT >> >> On 12/11/23 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >>> This all supports what I have been saying all along. EVs are >>> essentially experimental at this point in time. The "in" people who >>> need to be seen in the latest trendy things want one but most of us >>> think they will be more trouble than they are worth. We are correct, >>> but, time may well change all of that. There is no good reason why >>> EV's cannot become cheaper and less expensive to repair. Hopefully >>> also able to go longer distances between charges and will charge >>> faster and not overtax the electrical grid as well. >>> >>> I am not holding my breath on how long all of this might take, but >>> technology does move forward all of the time and break-throughs may >>> happen. >>> >>> I also think the automakers need to find a way to make less expensive >>> cars and make them still desirable. I read an article about Henry Ford >>> and the early days of the company. They produced more cars faster and >>> lowered the price over time. A Model T at the outset cost about $800. >>> By the time they stopped producing the Model T, the price was down to >>> $350. That does not seem to be the case these days. The average man >>> may soon be unable to afford a new car. That won't help the >>> automakers. Who will they sell them to? >>> >>> My 10 year old F150 would cost at least double what I paid for it if I >>> were to replace it now with a new one. In addition, interest rates are >>> higher so financing would also be more expensive. If it got wrecked, I >>> might well be looking for a beater to replace it. >>> >>> A new F150 would cost more than we paid for our house. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> On 11/12/2023 12:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>>> But essentially, the life of the battery is the life of the vehicle. >>>> It's not cost-effective to replace them. >>>> >>>> Especially as cars are not engineered for easy battery replacement. >>>> In fact the opposite, the battery is designed to be part of the >>>> structure of the car. >>>> >>>> If an EV battery has a life of 10 years and the car is then scrap, >>>> then the price of the car when new should be much less than a >>>> gasoline car but they are typically priced higher. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, at 12:02, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >>>>> Anecdotal evidence suggests that EV battery life has been racially >>>>> UNDERestimated. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:48 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>> Didn't watch this but if the issue was that the battery pack needed >>>>>> to be replaced, that basically totals the car on an EV unless it's >>>>>> under warranty. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, at 10:05, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>>> Another reason to not drive an EV? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It still comes back to a PPI and due diligence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 9:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEV1nNWmBKg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> --FT >>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> -- >> --FT >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
