All the signs the local cyclist disregard are standard size DOT signage and placed in public right of way. If you are on private property like a mall, then you fall under the purview of what ever nazi regulations they choose to enforce.

clay

On May 29, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

Interesting you mention this. Just yesterday, I must admit, I did not notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike trail. And I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think they had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle traffic on the trail. Wife pointed out the miniature stop sign to me. That's cool.

But I wonder, as with stop signs posted in shopping centers, if they are
actually legally enforceable?

brian


On 5/29/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I would be quite pleased if the cyclist by me would obey traffic
signals.  We have a very nice trail system that crosses many an
intersection through neighborhoods and commercial areas.  Each
intersection is posted with a stop sign for the cyclist/trail user
but this does not ensure that they actually stop.  Most of them go
ripping across traffic and are incensed that you did not yield to
them.  Blasting across the sidewalks causing mothers with
perambulators to veer madly to avoid collisions as well as forcing
vehicles to slam on brakes.  If ever there were a need for aggressive
cyclist demise, it would be for these folks.  That includes the
inline skater and other speeding personage of limited mental
capacity.  Used to be you were expected to walk your bike across the
street.

On May 29, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of
stopped
cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it
is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one
advantage that
bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! I just
look at
the people sitting motionless in their cars and feel a huge scream
"suckers!!" in my mind. I for one will continue to blow by lines of
stopped
cars lined up at traffic lights, and will continue to feel the JOY of
knowing that while cars can get there faster and with more
conveniene and
safety, I do have this one huge advantage.

It is only just that cyclists should be able to enjoy this advantage.
Childish - yes - I admit it, but I love the feeling of passing some
clown
that has dangerously veered toward me (yes, sometimes on purpose)
as he
passed me a few moments ago. And I will confront them when I catch
up to
them. I have never had anyone with the courage to back up their
cowardly
behavior conducted from the safety of their steel cage that wisks
them away
from consequences.

Yes, cyclists do need to obey stop signs, though I will blow one if
there is
no one around (something I will much more rarely do in a car, since
if I
miss something behind the wheel, I am liable for major damage). But
if there
are cars to interact with at an intersection I will conduct myself
exactly
by the rules of automotive driving (which, by the way, most people
really
don't play by - instead they like to play the get eye contact and
wave the
other person on game). It should be about whose car stopped at the
appropriate place first, and if there's a tie, the person on the
right goes
first - nice and simple.

Brian
Before anyone says it - yes, I do need help, and I wouldn't have it
any
other way.


Allan wrote:
Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop
sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little "heads
up" beep on the horn.



On 5/29/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is
concerned.  You treat them like such, and you ride them like such.

And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my
truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work)
ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly
clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane.  (I
was preparing to make my turn to the left.)  Totally a ticketable
offense, but where's a cop when you need him?

I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and
pedestrians who don't pay attention.

How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering
some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses
the street without so much as a glance to the side.

Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop
sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little "heads
up" beep on the horn.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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