you wrote:<<the plastic bag will be with us always>> Maybe it's a matter of the size of the remains - but I put some stuff in leaf bags for storage in the attic. It gets pretty hot up there and I was mostly looking for dust protection.
Anyway, after a few years the black plastic fell apart when touched, I cannot pick them up without the bags turning to tiny flakes of plastic. I have no idea how long those flakes will last or how small the pieces will eventually become - and they obviously never become compost to feed the growing of a plant, -- I guess the plastic molecules never go anywhere? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ----- Original Message ----- From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > The bottom line is that the paper bag will likely compost itself to > nothing but the plastic bag will be with us > always. Even better is to carry your own re-usable bags or bins. That has > become pretty common here with the > grocery type stores. They promote it and sell the bags or bins cheaply. > Don't think it will be popular with many > other stores though as they all worry that you are trying to walk out with > goods without paying. > > Second issue in same post. One would think that the batteries in the > hybrid cars can be recycled. Some plastic, > some lead etc. Shouldn't be all that difficult to re-use them somehow. > Fancier than a standard car battery I am > sure but the old standard car battery seems to be in demand for recycling > purposes. They have always had a value at > the scrap yards. > > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:04 PM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > They are and always have been and always will be closed minded. Anyone > on a mission is. > > I remember years ago during the first oil crises when the same mindset > was moving the entire country away from plastic bags and towards paper > bags at the grocery stores. Then someone took the time to research the > true cost of both and discovered that it took more oil to make a paper > bag than it took to make a plastic bag. > > So, now we have plastic bags at the grocery stores. > > Logic won the bag issue but I'm afrait it won't with hybrid vehicles. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > ----Original Message---- > From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 11/08/07 03:54 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > I like to analyze communities I visit or live in by the most commonly > seen cars there. Here on Bainbridge, I think that the Prius even beats > the Subaru in sheer numbers. It's not uncommon to have three or more > of them in sight at once when driving down a two lane road. > > I suppose the hills around here make it a "good" choice. But I have > always questioned the manufacturing/disposal processes of the > batteries, etc. And this thread has added to my mind another issue > that I have not thought a lot about: the environmental impact of > manufacturing new vehicles vs. keeping old ones on the road. > > I wonder if the open-minded, Obama sticker-pasting, free thinkers > around here are more sheep-like than they know. > > Brian > > On 11/8/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a > penalty >> > to >> > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it > isn;t >> > needed or being used? (like long trips) >> >> The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle >> of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms >> of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing >> versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor >> is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. >> >> The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, >> whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer >> much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But >> they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric >> parts gave it better acceleration. >> >> Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for >> highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. >> >> The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on >> the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial >> acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't >> need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, >> where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs >> to be bigger. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
