A case of cane sugar coke here in Seattle is $25.00.  It is in the  
tall bottles and tastes like heaven.  Not even the junk in small  
glass bottles you get in the touristy south taste half as good though  
it too cost $1/bottle.

clay


On 4 Jan 2008, at 10:47, Sunny Letot wrote:

> Hey, guys, has anyone noticed how long ago the McDonald's lawsuit  
> took place?
>
>   It was over and done with in August of 1994! McDonald's made  
> whatever changes they felt necessary in their coffee temps within  
> no more than 12 months (at that time, they updated their protocols  
> and master handbooks twice a year). IF they changed them at all --  
> they weren't legally obligated to do so.
>
>   Does anyone remember what McDonald's coffee tasted like pre-1994  
> and post-1995? Did you get a cup of coffee back around Thanksgiving  
> of 1995 and think, "What the heck? Why's my coffee cold??"
>
>   It's business, and it's all about the money. McDonald's, like  
> anyone else, in in business to make money. If they can reduce costs  
> without losing customers, they'll do it -- that's their job, and  
> what their shareholders expect of them.
>
>   If you want a real milkshake, go to to an ice cream shop like  
> Braum's or Ashburn's -- the general fast food industry has been  
> using mellorine (think DQ) for decades.
>
>   Go to the grocery store and price dairy products -- butter,  
> cream, and milk are FAR more expensive that margarine and non-dairy  
> coffee creamer. Same deal with real ice cream v. the fake stuff,  
> until you get into the special diet stuff, i.e. Atkins, Sount  
> Beach, etc. Also, milk products have a limited shelf life, which  
> means you've got to throw it away if you don't use it all before  
> the due date. That non-dairy stuff has a longer life than a 617  
> diesel, so you can buy 6 months supply at once!  That's a better  
> deal -- less spoilage loss, less base cost, and a discount for bulk  
> purchase.
>
>   Oh, and the french fries? No one "made" McDonald's give up the  
> beef tallow. (And yes, the fries were crisper and tastier fried in  
> 93% tallow and 7% cottonseed oil!) The reason they used the tallow  
> mixture is that it had an indefinite shelf life, and was, back in  
> the day, much cheaper than any other fat they could use for frying.  
> However, when they began to expand into other countries and run  
> into Hindu objections regarding beef consumption (don't ask me why  
> a hamburger joint would try to market to Hindus -- that one's  
> beyond me!), along with the Surgeon General's long-standing warning  
> about saturated fat, they changed to vegetable oil. There are no  
> trans fats in their fries -- trans fats are a product of  
> hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at room temp), and McDonald's  
> uses liquid shortening in their fryers and has since they stopped  
> using tallow -- it's easier and faster, i.e. saves time and money.
>
>   Does anyone remember how bottled Coke tasted 30 years ago? No??  
> It was different -- cane sugar costs more to produce than corn  
> syrup (which was, for many years, just a waste by-product of corn  
> processing), and Coca Cola saw the cost benefits. They cut their  
> costs, while leaving our cost the same and steadily escalating it  
> -- a better profit margin for their stockholders. You can taste the  
> original Coke in Mexico -- labor being cheaper there, and the diet  
> being far moe dependent on whole corn than ours, they still use  
> cane sugar in Coca Cola. There are a number of stores serving the  
> Hispanic community in the U.S. that import "real" Coke.
>
>   And there's one plant in Dublin, Texas that still produces Dr  
> Pepper with cane sugar instead of corn syrup, and gets a premium  
> price for it.
>
>   Like I said, it's just business, and it's all about the money.  
> Most corporations are amoral -- they go where the profits lead  
> them. Those of us on this list enjoy the products of a corporation  
> (Daimler Benz) that was able to produce a quality product at a  
> profit, and continues to support what it produced. It's a niche  
> market, and one I'm glad to be part of.
>
>   We're also lucky to have access to folks like Rusty and others,  
> who are NOT corporations, and while they need to make a profit,  
> they make it by providing excellent products and great customer  
> service. Don't look to an international corporation for that kind  
> of service!
>
>
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