if we make another rustyq, will you anti-government anarchist guys show up? mitch? dave? larry?
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:24 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, that little thing called The Constitution keeps getting in the way - > for a little while until they find a way around it. > Dave wrote <<See Below>> > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour > > > Police acting more and more like the Military, is it a coincidence > > Ever hear of a police security line telling the public to remain behind > the > engagement area? > > How about a group of police officers talking among themselves abut the > civilians? > > Do we have or have we ever had laws making the exchange of the military > and > the police unconstitutional? > > You decide: > > TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 67 > § 1385Prev | Next § 1385. Use of Army and > Air Force as posse comitatus > How Current is This? Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances > expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully > uses > any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to > execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more > than > two years, or both. > > > My OPINION: Wake up America or you will some day come out of your stupor > to find WACO being the norm. > > > > Dave H... > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:13 AM > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour > > > I used to feel the the same way about LEO's. Then I saw these videos > > where the LEOs seemed to be *looking* for an excuse to Taze the citizen. > > It > > sure looked like that. One LEO was suspended for 3 days while the other > > wa > > found to be operating within guidelines. > > > > I think the military training many officers get are part of the > > problem. > > The military is trained to kill - as well they should be. While the > LEOs > > are (or *should* be) trained to apprehend and take in to be judged by a > > jury - I think the military training has been ingrained way too much. > > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > > 800-583-8601 > > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > > > > > >> there is a real difference with the police of today and the past and > this > >> explanation goes a long way to understanding it. back in the day, the > >> police may have carried some kind of ethos of service. today, they are > >> simply at war with the people. I'm thinking back to my few encounters > >> with > >> police over the years and every encounter with an officer under 30 was > >> marked by hostility and aggression on their part, seemingly as if they > >> wanted to provoke some sort of conflict. for the most part, the "old > >> timers" were reasonable to deal with. > >> > >> my ex wife got pulled over by a young cop for a tailight being out. > she > >> says he basically shouted at her for 10 minutes about how he might just > >> take > >> her to jail or maybe will give her one more chance if she fixes the > >> issue > >> right away. when she told me this story, i figured he was just some > >> crazy > >> cop over the edge, but now i'm thinking that there is a strategic > attempt > >> to > >> create conflict by police so as the justify the use of violence against > >> the > >> citizenry. > >> > >> cops are crazy and dangerous and they are looking to hurt you . drug > >> dealers > >> just want to sell you drugs that you want to buy. i think we have it > >> backwards regarding who we are trying to get off our streets. > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:40 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Great explanation Mitch, > >>> > >>> Along those lines - about the militarized training LEOs have been > >>> receiving > >>> in the last 20 years or so - > >>> > >>> The latest issue of Car & Driver has a troubling column by ?? where he > >>> talks > >>> about officers tazering people stopped for traffic violations - I was > >>> hoping > >>> the editorial was on their website - no such luck. > >>> > >>> But here's the next best thing - > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RGe8fJ597w > >>> and the other man tazed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH_qVJfaYZA > >>> > >>> It looks like youtube has numerous clips like this -- > >>> > >>> I'm typically pro-police but this is wrong. These people were > >>> cooperating > >>> not resisting - IMO it's reasonable to ask why this is being done. > The > >>> 1st > >>> instance is well captioned, but the 2nd is not. The magazine article > >>> describes much better than the video what was said before Mr. Massey > was > >>> tazed. > >>> > >>> I know opinions are like bellybuttons, but IMO this was an assault. > >>> Worse, > >>> one of those guys could be me - I never back-talk the LEO and always > >>> cooporate - but it looked like thise guys were acting reasonably also. > >>> > >>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > >>> 800-583-8601 > >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns > >>> > >>> > >>> > John Robbins wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the > >>> >> police > >>> >> officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. > >>> >> Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to > >>> >> further > >>> >> understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic > is > >>> >> about worthless. > >>> > > >>> > I think it's a lot more meaningful than your explanation. You have > >>> > explained > >>> > why a LEO shoots more than a serf, but not why a LEO is 5x as likely > >>> > to > >>> > hit > >>> > the wrong target. I can offer a few explanations for that. When > >>> > somebody > >>> > sticks a gun in a serf's face to rob him, or breaks into the serf's > >>> home, > >>> > the serf knows darn well who needs to be shot. LEOs frequently find > >>> > themselves > >>> > in tense situations where they don't know exactly what's going on, > but > >>> > feel > >>> > that they need to shoot SOMEBODY. That stems in part from a > >>> > militarized > >>> > thought process, where it's drummed into their heads that the most > >>> > important thing is that THEY get home alive (if a serf gets in the > >>> > way, > >>> > too bad). So we give Joe Average the edge in target identification. > >>> > > >>> > Then there's basic gun safety. It seems that LEOs in this country > are > >>> > trained to point their guns at people they don't intend to shoot and > >>> > press the trigger when they don't intend to shoot them. This goes > >>> > double for the paramilitary hit squads, whether you call them SWAT, > >>> > START, or DEA. My local START team apprehended a drug suspect in > >>> > a parking lot, searched him, cuffed him, and then shot him in > >>> > the back while marching him into the back of the van. Bozo was > >>> > holding a Glock in the handcuffed prisoner's back with the trigger > >>> > half pulled, when there was no reason to point it at the prisoner > >>> > or have the finger inside the trigger guard. Department > investigation > >>> > showed that he was just following training, and the serf had the > >>> > bad luck to be in their presence when the gun went bang. > >>> > > >>> > Then there's the fact that LEOs handle firearms every day, and thus > >>> > are therefore a lot more likely to have an oopsie than a guy who > only > >>> > takes his gun out when he goes to the range or when somebody breaks > >>> > into his house. The fact that the gun might be pointed at a human > >>> > when the oopsie occurs stems from the fact that LEOs firearm > training > >>> > is piss poor. > >>> > > >>> > Mitch. > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________ > >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >>> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
