Smelly feet checked? If it worked OK. BUT, how about if you are ordered to go behind little more than a medical office changing screen and told to strip down to your underwear? How about if you are a very shy person and the inspecting "officer" is a female?
Did that Ordered personal violation create more safety for our nation or the jollies for some frustrated old biddy? Dave H... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:31 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour > I have no clue what a rustyq is? Is it fun? :) > > I don't think I am an anarchist just an individual who believes that > America > should once again become what it once was a Republic for the people by the > people. :) > > > Dave H... > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:28 AM > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour > >> if we make another rustyq, will you anti-government anarchist guys show >> up? >> mitch? dave? larry? >> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:24 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Yeah, that little thing called The Constitution keeps getting in the >>> way - >>> for a little while until they find a way around it. >>> Dave wrote <<See Below>> >>> >>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> 800-583-8601 >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour >>> >>> >>> Police acting more and more like the Military, is it a coincidence >>> >>> Ever hear of a police security line telling the public to remain behind >>> the >>> engagement area? >>> >>> How about a group of police officers talking among themselves abut the >>> civilians? >>> >>> Do we have or have we ever had laws making the exchange of the military >>> and >>> the police unconstitutional? >>> >>> You decide: >>> >>> TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 67 > § 1385Prev | Next § 1385. Use of Army >>> and >>> Air Force as posse comitatus >>> How Current is This? Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances >>> expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully >>> uses >>> any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise >>> to >>> execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more >>> than >>> two years, or both. >>> >>> >>> My OPINION: Wake up America or you will some day come out of your >>> stupor >>> to find WACO being the norm. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave H... >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:13 AM >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour >>> >>> > I used to feel the the same way about LEO's. Then I saw these >>> > videos >>> > where the LEOs seemed to be *looking* for an excuse to Taze the >>> > citizen. >>> > It >>> > sure looked like that. One LEO was suspended for 3 days while the >>> > other >>> > wa >>> > found to be operating within guidelines. >>> > >>> > I think the military training many officers get are part of the >>> > problem. >>> > The military is trained to kill - as well they should be. While the >>> LEOs >>> > are (or *should* be) trained to apprehend and take in to be judged by >>> > a >>> > jury - I think the military training has been ingrained way too much. >>> > >>> > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >>> > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> > 800-583-8601 >>> > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:40 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns >>> > >>> > >>> >> there is a real difference with the police of today and the past and >>> this >>> >> explanation goes a long way to understanding it. back in the day, >>> >> the >>> >> police may have carried some kind of ethos of service. today, they >>> >> are >>> >> simply at war with the people. I'm thinking back to my few >>> >> encounters >>> >> with >>> >> police over the years and every encounter with an officer under 30 >>> >> was >>> >> marked by hostility and aggression on their part, seemingly as if >>> >> they >>> >> wanted to provoke some sort of conflict. for the most part, the "old >>> >> timers" were reasonable to deal with. >>> >> >>> >> my ex wife got pulled over by a young cop for a tailight being out. >>> she >>> >> says he basically shouted at her for 10 minutes about how he might >>> >> just >>> >> take >>> >> her to jail or maybe will give her one more chance if she fixes the >>> >> issue >>> >> right away. when she told me this story, i figured he was just some >>> >> crazy >>> >> cop over the edge, but now i'm thinking that there is a strategic >>> attempt >>> >> to >>> >> create conflict by police so as the justify the use of violence >>> >> against >>> >> the >>> >> citizenry. >>> >> >>> >> cops are crazy and dangerous and they are looking to hurt you . drug >>> >> dealers >>> >> just want to sell you drugs that you want to buy. i think we have it >>> >> backwards regarding who we are trying to get off our streets. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:40 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Great explanation Mitch, >>> >>> >>> >>> Along those lines - about the militarized training LEOs have been >>> >>> receiving >>> >>> in the last 20 years or so - >>> >>> >>> >>> The latest issue of Car & Driver has a troubling column by ?? where >>> >>> he >>> >>> talks >>> >>> about officers tazering people stopped for traffic violations - I >>> >>> was >>> >>> hoping >>> >>> the editorial was on their website - no such luck. >>> >>> >>> >>> But here's the next best thing - >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RGe8fJ597w >>> >>> and the other man tazed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH_qVJfaYZA >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like youtube has numerous clips like this -- >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm typically pro-police but this is wrong. These people were >>> >>> cooperating >>> >>> not resisting - IMO it's reasonable to ask why this is being done. >>> The >>> >>> 1st >>> >>> instance is well captioned, but the 2nd is not. The magazine >>> >>> article >>> >>> describes much better than the video what was said before Mr. Massey >>> was >>> >>> tazed. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know opinions are like bellybuttons, but IMO this was an assault. >>> >>> Worse, >>> >>> one of those guys could be me - I never back-talk the LEO and always >>> >>> cooporate - but it looked like thise guys were acting reasonably >>> >>> also. >>> >>> >>> >>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >>> >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> >>> 800-583-8601 >>> >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT guns >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > John Robbins wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> You keep quoting this statistic... please keep in mind that the >>> >>> >> police >>> >>> >> officer is in many more situations that require him to shoot. >>> >>> >> Basically, I think there is another variable that is missing to >>> >>> >> further >>> >>> >> understand that relationship. Until then, I think your statistic >>> is >>> >>> >> about worthless. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I think it's a lot more meaningful than your explanation. You have >>> >>> > explained >>> >>> > why a LEO shoots more than a serf, but not why a LEO is 5x as >>> >>> > likely >>> >>> > to >>> >>> > hit >>> >>> > the wrong target. I can offer a few explanations for that. When >>> >>> > somebody >>> >>> > sticks a gun in a serf's face to rob him, or breaks into the >>> >>> > serf's >>> >>> home, >>> >>> > the serf knows darn well who needs to be shot. LEOs frequently >>> >>> > find >>> >>> > themselves >>> >>> > in tense situations where they don't know exactly what's going on, >>> but >>> >>> > feel >>> >>> > that they need to shoot SOMEBODY. That stems in part from a >>> >>> > militarized >>> >>> > thought process, where it's drummed into their heads that the most >>> >>> > important thing is that THEY get home alive (if a serf gets in the >>> >>> > way, >>> >>> > too bad). So we give Joe Average the edge in target >>> >>> > identification. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Then there's basic gun safety. It seems that LEOs in this country >>> are >>> >>> > trained to point their guns at people they don't intend to shoot >>> >>> > and >>> >>> > press the trigger when they don't intend to shoot them. This goes >>> >>> > double for the paramilitary hit squads, whether you call them >>> >>> > SWAT, >>> >>> > START, or DEA. My local START team apprehended a drug suspect in >>> >>> > a parking lot, searched him, cuffed him, and then shot him in >>> >>> > the back while marching him into the back of the van. Bozo was >>> >>> > holding a Glock in the handcuffed prisoner's back with the trigger >>> >>> > half pulled, when there was no reason to point it at the prisoner >>> >>> > or have the finger inside the trigger guard. Department >>> investigation >>> >>> > showed that he was just following training, and the serf had the >>> >>> > bad luck to be in their presence when the gun went bang. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Then there's the fact that LEOs handle firearms every day, and >>> >>> > thus >>> >>> > are therefore a lot more likely to have an oopsie than a guy who >>> only >>> >>> > takes his gun out when he goes to the range or when somebody >>> >>> > breaks >>> >>> > into his house. The fact that the gun might be pointed at a human >>> >>> > when the oopsie occurs stems from the fact that LEOs firearm >>> training >>> >>> > is piss poor. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Mitch. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > _______________________________________ >>> >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> > For new parts see official list sponsor: >>> >>> > http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> >>> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> > >>> >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________ >>> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________ >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com >>> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
