Loren wrote<<It was thought by many such a quick and maneuverable
craft should have been able to escape a collision >>
Until someone is on the dark waters offshore it is impossible to
understand how truly *Dark* it can be out there.
With the PT boat idling while waiting for the next commands, it would have
been impossible to hear the destroyer coming.
Things happen in the middle of the Pacific that can be hard to
understand. I'm not a fan of the Kennedy's, but what JFK did during the
night and days following the collision were truely heroic. He may have
thought otherwise, but carrying a crewman to safety on an island by gripping
the straps of his lifejacket in his teeth was nothing short of amazing & he
deserved the medals he was awarded. Plus, that's where his back was badly
hurt. So he had back pain on top of everything else -
Joe Kennedys flight was on a bomber filled with explosives - some say
B17 others say B24 - it was to be radio controlled and at a point the pilot
(Kennedy) & co-pilot would bail out and then the radio controllers woud
take over. SOmething went wrong during the change from manual flight to RC
flight something went wrong - no one knows for sure but a spark would have
done it or something in the controllers. Anyway - it went Boom before
anyone got out and there was little left. Joe was being groomed for the
presidency at this point and when this happend the focus shifted to JFK.
Thank goodness they didn't decide to push Ted for president. ;-(
Lots of sadness in that family - along with money - doubt it was worth
it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:04 PM
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Son Joe Jr. was a pilot on a highly secret
experimental mission when his B-24 blew up. Both
Joe JR, and John F. did their jobs as
officers. I have high respect for both. But the
point was that no Kennedy ever had a real job or
ever had to meet a payroll. Old Joe was a
bootlegger and a criminal. The boys grew up as
privileged offspring of a gangster. Because ol
Joe was never named public enemy #!1, Kennedys
are revered while any offspring of Capone would be reviled.
No Medal of Honor. BZZZT Wrong.
Kennedy was awarded the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_and_Marine_Corps_Medal>Navy
and Marine Corps Medal for his lifesaving actions
following the collision; it was established in
1941 for lifesaving actions at risk of the
person's own life but not involving actual
combat.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-109#cite_note-20>[21]
A few in the military, including
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrew_Fitzgerald&action=edit&redlink=1>Andrew
Fitzgerald, thought he should have faced a
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial>court-martial
instead for losing his boat in such a manner. It
was thought by many such a quick and maneuverable
craft should have been able to escape a collision
with a slower enemy craft, though fellow skippers
would point out a PT could not accelerate quickly under such circumstances.
During his presidency, Kennedy privately admitted
to friends he didn't feel he deserved the medals
he had received, because the PT-109 incident had
been the result of a botched military operation
that had cost the lives of two members of his
crew. When asked by interviewers how he became a
war hero, Kennedy's grim reply was, "It was involuntary. They sank my boat."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-109 YMMV
At 03:44 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote:
>jack earned a congressional medal of honor as well in the pacific and they
>don't just give those out no matter who your daddy is. (i think i'm right
>on that. correct me if i'm wrong)
>
>On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
> > John F and his older brother were at least
> > officers in the military, that is as close to a
> > real job any kennedy has had since Joe made gazillions as a criminal.
> >
> > At 04:54 PM 4/6/2008, you wrote:
> > >I'm sure everyone knows how the Kennedy fortune was made? Running Rum
> > >during prohibition - same way A Capone got his start. But the Kennedy
> > clan
> > >managed to stay low key and avoid the publicity of illegal activity.
> > ONce
> > >that dies down they
> > >decided politics would be the next neat illegal activity to make a lot
> > >of
> > >money in.
> > >
> > >Has T Kennedy *ever* held a real job? course not.
> > >
> > >Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 7:25 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an
> > >MB
> > >
> > >
> > >OK Don wrote:
> > > >
> > > > He sent us to the moon -- can't be all bad.
> > >
> > >Tell me more, as a Senator or as President? I always wondered why
> > >Cape Canaveral got renamed Cape Kennedy.
> > >Seems like the space race was already well underway by January 20,
> > >1961,
> > >and he died in 1963, long before we reached the moon.
> > >
> > >I can remember when somebody was talking about how The Godfather was
> > >keeping Mikey clean and wanted him to be President someday, and
> > speculated
> > >that someday a guy from a mob family might actually grow up to be
> > President,
> > >in a life imitating art sort of way.
> > >I told him we'd been there and done that, as of 1-20-1961. Took him
> > >a while to catch on.
> > >
> > >BTW, can you guess who this song is about?
> > >
> > >Eddie
> > >written by James Young, 1979
> > >
> > >I woke up today, the papers spoke of a man we know
> > >He's made of the stuff they say that first made our country grow
> > >Living in style, traveling to distant lands
> > >Better hang tough, for now it's time to make your stand
> > >Can we ignore the basic facts of history
> > >Or deny what people say is destiny
> > >I think the message is ever so loud and clear
> > >
> > >Eddie, now don't you run
> > >You know you're a bootlegger's son
> > >And you saw just what it's done to the others
> > >Eddie, now don't you run
> > >It's the end of all your fun
> > >And you saw just what they've done
> > >To your brothers
> > >
> > >Can we ignore the basic facts of history
> > >Or deny what people say is destiny
> > >First in the eighties but last of the sons
> > >First in the eyes of his countrymen
> > >I think the message is ever so loud and clear
> > >
> > >Eddie, now don't you run
> > >You know you're a bootlegger's son
> > >And you saw just what it's done to the others
> > >Eddïe, now don't you run
> > >It's the end of all your fun
> > >And you saw just what they've done
> > >To your brothers
> > >
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