On Sunday 18 August 2002 17:59, Jeff Woods wrote:
> 21000 of the 31000 participating machines are P-III or better.
>
> Less than 2,000 true Pentium-class machines remain in the mix.
>
> George et. al.:  Could it be time to change the baseline reference machine
> away from the Pentium-90, and wipe the P-90 off of all pages, from rankings
> to status to years of computing time left to complete the task?
>
> A couple years back, George changed the Status page reference to be a
> P-II/400, equivalent to 5.5 P90's.   Now even that PII/400 is far less than
> the 'average participating machine", which given the above numbers, I'd
> guess is now about one gigahertz, perhaps slightly better.
>
> I believe that a one-time re-indexing of ranks, stats, and "time left to
> compute" that re-indexes on either a P-III/1000 or an Athlon-1000, would
> make the "CPU years left" numbers on the status page a bit more realistic,
> as well as the number of "CPU years" I complete each day.

If we're going to re-index at all then we should be jumping to the top of the 
range since this will be relevant for longer. How's about referencing to 
Pentium 4 2.67B which is about the top of the range at the moment (if it's 
even available yet).

I think we should also publish conversion factors for "common" processors 
including obsolete ones at least as far back as 386. There _is_ historical 
interest in this, even if working examples of these processors are now only 
to be found in space hardware. (Incidentally the first successful 
microprocessor-controlled space probes - the Voyagers, controlled by Intel 
8008 CPUs - are just coming up to the 25th anniversary of their launch!)

>
> ------------------------
>
> Side note:   Also of interest in both the benchmarks table and on the
> individual / top producers tables, would be a RECENT CPU hours/day
> comparison, as well as a machine reference back to the baseline machine,
> whatever it may be.
>
> i.e. I've been with this thing from the beginning, in 1996.   Obviously, my
> average machine has gotten better and better.   My top listing says I'm
> doing about 1090 CPU hours a day.... but that's averaged over ALL of my
> submissions, dating back to when I was using 486's in 1996!
>
> I did some arithmetic to try to figure out what I'm cranking out NOW....
> (anyone want to check my logic here)?
>
> i.e. how many CPU-hours a day is, say, an Athlon 1600+ worth?
>
> According to the benchmarks page, the P-II/400 does a 15-17MM exponent
> iteration in 0.536 seconds.    And we know that this machine is 5.5
> P-90's.  Thus, a P-90 would be expected to take 5.5 x 0.536, or 2.948
> seconds.
>
> My Athlon 1600+ takes .130 seconds per iteration.
>
> 2.948 / 0.130 = 22.677 times as fast at the P-90, so 22.677 x 24 hours
> means that this machine ought to be doing ABOUT 544.24 P-90 CPU hours per
> day.
>
> If I add up what all my machines are doing NOW, I get 3503 P-90 CPU Hours a
> day, not the 1090 shown on my account and report.
>
> ------------------
>
> What I'd like to see is:
>
> 1) On the individual account report, the above calculation (i.e. the
> 544.24) shown next to the exponent/machine.  This should not be ESTIMATED,
> but reverse engineered from actual reported iterations per second for the
> exponent, compared to 2.948 seconds for the P90 (or whatever a new baseline
> might be).
>
> 2) A SUM of all of the above, to let one know how much they TRULY are
>     cranking out, as opposed to that slow creeping average that, after so
>     many years means nothing.
>
> 3) A "rolling average" for the last 6 months, for the Top XXX pages, so
>     that I can compare RECENT work to other recent work.  i.e. I see that
>     I am surrounded by many others in the 1100 CPU Hours/day range....but
>     if my historical data is skewed so much by those old slow machines from
>     six years ago, how much are others skewed?  Who do I have a chance to
>     pass?  Who's gaining on me?   I can't tell!   A rolling average, or
>     perhaps the calculations from #2 above in a column instead of a rolling
>     average, would make comparisons in the Top XXX listings easier, and
>     much more meaningful.
>
This suggestion makes a lot of sense. The "hours per day" figure is pretty 
meaningless, for the reasons stated.

Regards
Brian Beesley

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