-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014.12.11 05.52, Mike Hearn wrote: > I think I agree with Eleanor that the costs of real deniability > seem to radically outweigh the benefits, as anything that doesn't > involve a simple on-screen editor for chat logs probably wouldn't > be convincing, and that seems like a lot of effort and UI > complexity.
I think the amount of engineering effort justifiable around denability, given its all-but-nonexistent benefits, has almost certainly been outweighed just in the conversations about it I have personally seen, its ten year history as the laughingstock of the larger security community notwithstanding. > Moreover, I'm struggling to find a use case for this that doesn't > involve someone lying in court. The set of instances where there is both a sufficient degree of rule of law that any of this discussion is remotely relevant *and* where defendants have the degree of sociopathy required to lie cleanly and coherently in court and the cooperation of their lawyers while doing so is fairly small. > W.R.T being quoted out of context, that happens with private > speech conversations all the time and hardly anyone ever says "I > didn't say that", they say "I'm being quoted out of context, here's > the full conversation". Which, it's worth noting, is unlikely to be helped by cryptographic properties one way or another. Outside of this parish, no one asks to check hashes before believing someone socially and it is implausible they ever will. E. - -- Ideas are my favorite toys. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF4EAREIAAYFAlSJwkEACgkQQwkE2RkM0wq4XgD8CUjRjtwm0/rqqdQ3giEjefc6 79x14SsWBvCsmbLDRcEA/i9PBAGewKW4/Bu+sPsH/nm8MMaUKGEsi2ju7Y4F8UQ+ =SlDw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Messaging mailing list [email protected] https://moderncrypto.org/mailman/listinfo/messaging
