I am pretty sure that was Puerto Lapice.
Mendy Ouzillou >________________________________ > From: "cdtuc...@cox.net" <cdtuc...@cox.net> >To: Jeff Grossman <jngross...@gmail.com>; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 12:29 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day > >Jeff, >Thanks once again for your information. >I have a question; >What degree of accuracy does Science have in calculating the exact time a >meteorite fell? Is this calculation within one day, one week , one month, one >year, or within ten years? which is it and how certain can Science be? Just >for one example of why I ask; If I recall correctly, Farmer found a second >fall find in Spain (name escapes me at the moment but, was in an olive grove?) >about one year later than his first fall find and it still looked fresh. >Thanks. >Carl >meteoritemax >-- >Cheers > >---- Jeff Grossman <jngross...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the >> last three are types of finds. >> >> Jeff >> >> On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: >> > In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least qualifying >> > the definition of "fall." The categories I've considered are these, >> > and the definitions are first passes: >> > >> > Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments, >> > and collected soon after the event. The event was well documented. >> > Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is >> > consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur >> > immediately, directly points to a fall at the time of the observed event. >> > >> > Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event, but >> > physical evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or >> > within a very narrow range of dates. >> > >> > Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented meteor >> > event with characteristics consistent with a meteorite fall, followed >> > by the collection of meteorites some time later. There is a strong >> > likelihood that the meteorite fell in the observed event, but physical >> > evidence is not fully conclusive. >> > >> > Possible fall: The same situation as a probable fall, but there is >> > significant doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the >> > event or about the reliability of the observations of the event. >> > >> > Doubtful fall: The same situation as a possible fall, but there is a >> > high degree of doubt. >> > >> > This was all suggested by the circumstances surrounding the Benešov >> > (a) and (b) meteorites, which I would have put in the "possible fall" >> > category, if such a thing existed. >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > On 1/4/2013 8:57 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: >> >> I find this new attempt to change terminology disturbing. I have >> >> hundreds of old catalogs from the top museums and dealers from more >> >> than 200 years ago till today, all of them list falls and finds. None >> >> of them discuss unobserved falls as an acceptable alternative. >> >> Are we really ready to just accept anything thrown out there, and >> >> watch as all manner of BS is used to discredit hundreds of years of >> >> accepted terminology? >> >> My private collection focuses on witnessed falls, with date and time >> >> and science to back it up. >> >> I am not interested in another group which would include every >> >> meteorite ever to have fallen, since they did actually all fall at >> >> some point. >> >> Well, I guess Anne can delete her birthday fall calendar page since >> >> now we can simply put every NWA on any date you choose to believe it >> >> might have possibly fallen:). >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael Farmer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:47 PM, "Mike Bandli" <fuzzf...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> If a meteorite falls from the sky and no one is there to hear it, >> >>> does it >> >>> make a sound? >> >>> >> >>> ;^] >> >>> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------- >> >>> Mike Bandli >> >>> Historic Meteorites >> >>> www.HistoricMeteorites.com >> >>> and join us on Facebook: >> >>> www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 >> >>> IMCA #5765 >> >>> ----------------------------------------------- >> >>> >> >>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> >>> intended >> >>> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >> >>> addressed. >> >>> If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, >> >>> distribute or >> >>> copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if >> >>> you have >> >>> received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your >> >>> system. If >> >>> you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, >> >>> copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the >> >>> contents of >> >>> this information is strictly prohibited. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >> >>> h...@meteorhall.com >> >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:36 PM >> >>> To: Anne Black >> >>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; valpar...@aol.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day >> >>> >> >>> Right, Anne. That is why they are referred to as a "Fall" or a "Find". >> >>> Concise! >> >>> Cheers, Fred Hall >> >>> >> >>>> Every single meteorite ever found on Earth is necessarily the result >> >>>> of a fall, they are not native to Earth. The only difference is that >> >>>> some falls are seen, witnessed, and some, the vast majoriry, are not. >> >>>> >> >>>> So calling them Observed or Unobserved falls is logical. That is what >> >>>> happened to all of them. >> >>>> That is simple reality. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Anne M. Black >> >>>> www.IMPACTIKA.com >> >>>> impact...@aol.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> tFrom: hall <h...@meteorhall.com> >> >>>> To: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >> >>>> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; valparint >> >>>> <valpar...@aol.com> >> >>>> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:13 pm >> >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> An "unobserved fall" is two words to describe the one word that has >> >>>> been used for a century, "Find". The one word "Find" is good enough >> >>>> for the Catalogue of Meteorites, it was good enough for Harvey >> >>>> Nininger, and it is what I shall always use. Keep it concise. >> >>>> Regards, Fred Hall >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> That would make sense for say New Orleans, where a stone went through >> >>>> a >> >>>>> house and no one in their right mind would suggest that it did not >> >>>> fall at >> >>>>> that time say between 8 am and 4 pm when there was no hole in the >> >>>> house, >> >>>>> yet it was not seen to fall. >> >>>>> An old rock found in a field does not suggest anything about fall >> >>>> date. So >> >>>>> it is a find, something never really argued against until now? >> >>>>> It has crust which can suggest it is not thousands of years old, most >> >>>> of >> >>>>> our Springwater meteorites have black and blue crust but nevertheless >> >>>> it >> >>>>> is a find. >> >>>>> Michael Farmer >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, <valpar...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> An "unobserved fall" is, well, a fall that was not observed, in >> >>>>>> contradistinction to a fall that was observed. The terminology of >> >>>>>> the Meteoritical Bulletin Database is "Observed fall: no". >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The information being conveyed is NOT that the meteorite fell but >> >>>> that >> >>>>>> the fall was not observed. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> In general, the questions about falling and finding are: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 1) was the fall observed? >> >>>>>> 2) if so, when was it observed? >> >>>>>> 3) if not, is there any guesstimate of when it fell? >> >>>>>> 4) regardless of weather it was observed or not, when was it >> >>>>>> actually found? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Paul Swartz >> >>>>>> MPOD webmaster >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> What is an "unobserved fall"? Every meteorite fell at some point. I >> >>>>>>> have thousands of unobserved falls in my collection. >> >>>>>>> Michael Farmer >> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >> >>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>>> >> >>>> ______________________________________________ >> >>>> >> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >> >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>> >> >>> ______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >> >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>> >> >>> ______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >> >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >______________________________________________ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
