Welcome to the club. There is no need for value added middlemen anymore since the distribution model is Finder to Moroccan Dealer in Eurfud directly to Collector. No need for classifications when they can let a little bit of a new find out and borrow (steal) the nomenclature and classification from somebody who follows the rules.
This is a collectors dream as far as pricing goes unless they want legitimate nomenclature and classifications. Thankfully, There are no pairing issues in artifacts, the direction I am heading. I will remain a meteorite collector but the days of hunting are soon coming to an end thanks to a few people. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: Greg Hupé <gmh...@centurylink.net> Cc: MeteorList <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jbilet Winselwan CM2 I am tired of the Moroccans coming on here and selling unclassified meteorites undercutting those of us who have put in our time and money to get the scientific work done. I bought a large amount of this meteorite at a high price, sent multiple samples to be classified, including to NASA for organics work, and before I arrived back home from a trip I see both other dealers and Moroccans dumping it at less than my cost. If you are buying from people who did not submit specimens for classification, you are possibly and probably getting scammed. Am I the only one sick of being undercut by the same people in Morocco that sell to me? What is the purpose of helping these people get classifications just so they can instantly stab you in the back and dump more material at prices cheaper than they sold to you. In matching their prices, I am now losing money. It is easy for the lazy dealer to grab some material and piggyback other people's work to rapidly sell out without putting their own money at risk. It has become a very common game and we all lose for it. Sick of the Moroccan/Nigerian scam model of take the money and run laughing to the bank. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Greg Hupé <gmh...@centurylink.net> wrote: > I agree, Being in direct contact when possible to provide the best possible > 'accurate' information has always been one of my main considerations in my > meteoritic presence, which has been a daily activity for the last 18 years or > so! > > My most profound congratulations and respect go to Dr. Hasnaa Chennaoui et. > al. for their consistent and accurate work when it come to NWA meteorites... > BUT, please do not suggest a name takes away anything from all of the > important meteorites that have been recovered out of North Africa... Most > well known for their "NWA" moniker! > > Congats again to al involved in such a wonderful collaboration!! > > Best Regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupé > The Hupé Collection > gmh...@centurylink.net > www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) > www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) > NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) > http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault > http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Michael Farmer > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:45 PM > To: Gary Fujihara > Cc: MeteorList > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jbilet Winselwan CM2 > > I am curious why so many people submits less than the required 20 grams to > get work done. Hardly seems fair to those of us who are overly generous all > the time. > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Gary Fujihara <fuj...@mac.com> wrote: > >> Well, … the name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue Greg. But I hear where >> you are coming from. >> >> But I would like to reiterate what Mike Gilmer said earlier, giving kudos to >> Hasnaa Chennaoui and Brigitte Zanda for classifying the meteorite with >> sufficient documentation to warrant a geographic name (as opposed to >> nondescript NWA number). >> >> Following Mike's post, I would also like to say that I was in communication >> with Hasnaa, and other holders of this Smara CM2 material to gather >> information for TKW, to consolidate all known holdings under a single >> classification. And this is not the first time, I've consolidated with other >> dealers and collectors over NWA 7464, 7465, 7466. >> >> Please consider sharing information with others before submitting for >> classification, as its far easier to consolidate before than to pair >> afterward. As a bonus, all holders can cost share the type deposit and >> analysis fees. >> >> And no, this is not a shameless plug, but since you ask, >> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/JbiletWin.html >> >> gary ;^) >> >> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Greg Hupé <gmh...@centurylink.net> wrote: >> >>> A name does not make a meteorite... the meteorite itself makes a name for >>> itself... >>> ... only time will tell if this one is great and will live on for the >>> ages!!! >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Greg >>> >>> ==================== >>> Greg Hupé >>> The Hupé Collection >>> gmh...@centurylink.net >>> www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >>> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >>> NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >>> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >>> http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >>> IMCA 3163 >>> ==================== >>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Ruben Garcia >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:17 PM >>> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jbilet Winselwan CM2 for sale - Great >>> pricestoo! >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone that has emailed or called to purchase Jbilet >>> Winselwan. I see a lot of interest in this CM2 meteorite for a bunch >>> of reasons - price, name (as opposed to a number), freshness, etc... >>> >>> Take a look as I now have 2 pages of specimens to choose from. >>> Starting at only $40 per gram. Many smaller sizes too - from about >>> 10mg to 5 grams as well as larger specimens up to 40 grams! >>> >>> Page 1 >>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>> >>> Page 2 >>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwanpage2.htm >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Ruben Garcia >>> <rubengarcia85...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I just left some nice specimens with Dr Laurence Garvie (via ASU >>>> trade) but have more! >>>> >>>> I have tiny fragments (many crusted) also larger crusted specimens. >>>> Starting at only $40 per gram. >>>> >>>> check it out >>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>>> >>>> call or email for more info 602 388 9618 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rock On! >>>> >>>> Ruben Garcia >>>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rock On! >>> >>> Ruben Garcia >>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Gary Fujihara <fuj...@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, … the name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue Greg. But I hear where >>> you are coming from. >>> >>> But I would like to reiterate what Mike Gilmer said earlier, giving kudos >>> to Hasnaa Chennaoui and Brigitte Zanda for classifying the meteorite with >>> sufficient documentation to warrant a geographic name (as opposed to >>> nondescript NWA number). >>> >>> Following Mike's post, I would also like to say that I was in communication >>> with Hasnaa, and other holders of this Smara CM2 material to gather >>> information for TKW, to consolidate all known holdings under a single >>> classification. And this is not the first time, I've consolidated with >>> other dealers and collectors over NWA 7464, 7465, 7466. >>> >>> Please consider sharing information with others before submitting for >>> classification, as its far easier to consolidate before than to pair >>> afterward. As a bonus, all holders can cost share the type deposit and >>> analysis fees. >>> >>> And no, this is not a shameless plug, but since you ask, >>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/JbiletWin.html >>> >>> gary ;^) >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Greg Hupé <gmh...@centurylink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> A name does not make a meteorite... the meteorite itself makes a name for >>>> itself... >>>> ... only time will tell if this one is great and will live on for the >>>> ages!!! >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> ==================== >>>> Greg Hupé >>>> The Hupé Collection >>>> gmh...@centurylink.net >>>> www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >>>> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >>>> NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >>>> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >>>> http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >>>> IMCA 3163 >>>> ==================== >>>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >>>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ruben Garcia >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:17 PM >>>> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jbilet Winselwan CM2 for sale - Great >>>> pricestoo! >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone that has emailed or called to purchase Jbilet >>>> Winselwan. I see a lot of interest in this CM2 meteorite for a bunch >>>> of reasons - price, name (as opposed to a number), freshness, etc... >>>> >>>> Take a look as I now have 2 pages of specimens to choose from. >>>> Starting at only $40 per gram. Many smaller sizes too - from about >>>> 10mg to 5 grams as well as larger specimens up to 40 grams! >>>> >>>> Page 1 >>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>>> >>>> Page 2 >>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwanpage2.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Ruben Garcia >>>> <rubengarcia85...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I just left some nice specimens with Dr Laurence Garvie (via ASU >>>>> trade) but have more! >>>>> >>>>> I have tiny fragments (many crusted) also larger crusted specimens. >>>>> Starting at only $40 per gram. >>>>> >>>>> check it out >>>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>>>> >>>>> call or email for more info 602 388 9618 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Rock On! >>>>> >>>>> Ruben Garcia >>>>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rock On! >>>> >>>> Ruben Garcia >>>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. >>> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161 >>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ >>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html >> >> >> Gary Fujihara >> Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. >> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161 >> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ >> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
