By the way, I asked a Moroccan Facebook dealer why they thought their meteorite was Jbilet Winselwan and the answer was "it's black".
Gives a great feeling of confidence eh? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> wrote: > I am tired of the Moroccans coming on here and selling unclassified > meteorites undercutting those of us who have put in our time and money to get > the scientific work done. I bought a large amount of this meteorite at a high > price, sent multiple samples to be classified, including to NASA for organics > work, and before I arrived back home from a trip I see both other dealers and > Moroccans dumping it at less than my cost. If you are buying from people who > did not submit specimens for classification, you are possibly and probably > getting scammed. > Am I the only one sick of being undercut by the same people in Morocco that > sell to me? > What is the purpose of helping these people get classifications just so they > can instantly stab you in the back and dump more material at prices cheaper > than they sold to you. > In matching their prices, I am now losing money. It is easy for the lazy > dealer to grab some material and piggyback other people's work to rapidly > sell out without putting their own money at risk. It has become a very common > game and we all lose for it. > Sick of the Moroccan/Nigerian scam model of take the money and run laughing > to the bank. > > > Michael Farmer > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Greg Hupé <gmh...@centurylink.net> wrote: > >> I agree, Being in direct contact when possible to provide the best possible >> 'accurate' information has always been one of my main considerations in my >> meteoritic presence, which has been a daily activity for the last 18 years >> or so! >> >> My most profound congratulations and respect go to Dr. Hasnaa Chennaoui et. >> al. for their consistent and accurate work when it come to NWA meteorites... >> BUT, please do not suggest a name takes away anything from all of the >> important meteorites that have been recovered out of North Africa... Most >> well known for their "NWA" moniker! >> >> Congats again to al involved in such a wonderful collaboration!! >> >> Best Regards, >> Greg >> >> ==================== >> Greg Hupé >> The Hupé Collection >> gmh...@centurylink.net >> www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >> NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >> http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >> IMCA 3163 >> ==================== >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Farmer >> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:45 PM >> To: Gary Fujihara >> Cc: MeteorList >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jbilet Winselwan CM2 >> >> I am curious why so many people submits less than the required 20 grams to >> get work done. Hardly seems fair to those of us who are overly generous all >> the time. >> Michael Farmer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Gary Fujihara <fuj...@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, … the name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue Greg. But I hear where >>> you are coming from. >>> >>> But I would like to reiterate what Mike Gilmer said earlier, giving kudos >>> to Hasnaa Chennaoui and Brigitte Zanda for classifying the meteorite with >>> sufficient documentation to warrant a geographic name (as opposed to >>> nondescript NWA number). >>> >>> Following Mike's post, I would also like to say that I was in communication >>> with Hasnaa, and other holders of this Smara CM2 material to gather >>> information for TKW, to consolidate all known holdings under a single >>> classification. And this is not the first time, I've consolidated with >>> other dealers and collectors over NWA 7464, 7465, 7466. >>> >>> Please consider sharing information with others before submitting for >>> classification, as its far easier to consolidate before than to pair >>> afterward. As a bonus, all holders can cost share the type deposit and >>> analysis fees. >>> >>> And no, this is not a shameless plug, but since you ask, >>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/JbiletWin.html >>> >>> gary ;^) >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Greg Hupé <gmh...@centurylink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> A name does not make a meteorite... the meteorite itself makes a name for >>>> itself... >>>> ... only time will tell if this one is great and will live on for the >>>> ages!!! >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> ==================== >>>> Greg Hupé >>>> The Hupé Collection >>>> gmh...@centurylink.net >>>> www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >>>> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >>>> NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >>>> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >>>> http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >>>> IMCA 3163 >>>> ==================== >>>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >>>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ruben Garcia >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:17 PM >>>> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jbilet Winselwan CM2 for sale - Great >>>> pricestoo! >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone that has emailed or called to purchase Jbilet >>>> Winselwan. I see a lot of interest in this CM2 meteorite for a bunch >>>> of reasons - price, name (as opposed to a number), freshness, etc... >>>> >>>> Take a look as I now have 2 pages of specimens to choose from. >>>> Starting at only $40 per gram. Many smaller sizes too - from about >>>> 10mg to 5 grams as well as larger specimens up to 40 grams! >>>> >>>> Page 1 >>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>>> >>>> Page 2 >>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwanpage2.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Ruben Garcia >>>> <rubengarcia85...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I just left some nice specimens with Dr Laurence Garvie (via ASU >>>>> trade) but have more! >>>>> >>>>> I have tiny fragments (many crusted) also larger crusted specimens. >>>>> Starting at only $40 per gram. >>>>> >>>>> check it out >>>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>>>> >>>>> call or email for more info 602 388 9618 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Rock On! >>>>> >>>>> Ruben Garcia >>>>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rock On! >>>> >>>> Ruben Garcia >>>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Gary Fujihara <fuj...@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, … the name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue Greg. But I hear >>>> where you are coming from. >>>> >>>> But I would like to reiterate what Mike Gilmer said earlier, giving kudos >>>> to Hasnaa Chennaoui and Brigitte Zanda for classifying the meteorite with >>>> sufficient documentation to warrant a geographic name (as opposed to >>>> nondescript NWA number). >>>> >>>> Following Mike's post, I would also like to say that I was in >>>> communication with Hasnaa, and other holders of this Smara CM2 material to >>>> gather information for TKW, to consolidate all known holdings under a >>>> single classification. And this is not the first time, I've consolidated >>>> with other dealers and collectors over NWA 7464, 7465, 7466. >>>> >>>> Please consider sharing information with others before submitting for >>>> classification, as its far easier to consolidate before than to pair >>>> afterward. As a bonus, all holders can cost share the type deposit and >>>> analysis fees. >>>> >>>> And no, this is not a shameless plug, but since you ask, >>>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/JbiletWin.html >>>> >>>> gary ;^) >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Greg Hupé <gmh...@centurylink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A name does not make a meteorite... the meteorite itself makes a name for >>>>> itself... >>>>> ... only time will tell if this one is great and will live on for the >>>>> ages!!! >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>>> ==================== >>>>> Greg Hupé >>>>> The Hupé Collection >>>>> gmh...@centurylink.net >>>>> www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >>>>> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >>>>> NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >>>>> http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >>>>> IMCA 3163 >>>>> ==================== >>>>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >>>>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ruben Garcia >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:17 PM >>>>> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jbilet Winselwan CM2 for sale - Great >>>>> pricestoo! >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks to everyone that has emailed or called to purchase Jbilet >>>>> Winselwan. I see a lot of interest in this CM2 meteorite for a bunch >>>>> of reasons - price, name (as opposed to a number), freshness, etc... >>>>> >>>>> Take a look as I now have 2 pages of specimens to choose from. >>>>> Starting at only $40 per gram. Many smaller sizes too - from about >>>>> 10mg to 5 grams as well as larger specimens up to 40 grams! >>>>> >>>>> Page 1 >>>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>>>> >>>>> Page 2 >>>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwanpage2.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Ruben Garcia >>>>> <rubengarcia85...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just left some nice specimens with Dr Laurence Garvie (via ASU >>>>>> trade) but have more! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have tiny fragments (many crusted) also larger crusted specimens. >>>>>> Starting at only $40 per gram. >>>>>> >>>>>> check it out >>>>>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/jbiletwinselwannewcm2.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> call or email for more info 602 388 9618 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Rock On! >>>>>> >>>>>> Ruben Garcia >>>>>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Rock On! >>>>> >>>>> Ruben Garcia >>>>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Fujihara >>>> Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. >>>> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 >>>> (808) 640-9161 >>>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ >>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html >>> >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. >>> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161 >>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ >>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
