Hi Sonny,
I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
Let's go get it! Did they say how big the other pieces are?
Jim
On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
Hey Adam and list
Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third
piece has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I
have tried to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that
the meteorite would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it
alone. This would be a great case to challenge in court.
Sonny
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From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
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To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with
the BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone
with three different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and
got variable answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices
into an area that also contains heritage items or artifacts. This
included a magnet on a stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter
Ivanpah after one of my friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is
that I do not want to see anybody hassled for selling meteorites found
on public land. The only consistent answer I ever got was that
meteorites found on public land are not to be used for commercial
purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me, the thrill is finding
them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From: <wahlpe...@aol.com>To:
<raremeteori...@centurylink.net>;
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014
9:49 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake
Finds???Hey Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter
Eggs you just need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to
recover 2.5 pounds over the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I
was hunting the Indian Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two
BLM Rangers. We talked aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no
problem with me hunting formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have
also talked with the LasVegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have
had no problem. I didcontact the State of Arizona about hunting on
State Land and theyinformed me that meteorite hunting on state land is
not allowed. So farall of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite
hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs
this weekend! : )Sonny-----Original Message----- From: Raremeteorites
via Meteorite-list<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>To:
meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21,
2014 9:08 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry
Lake Finds???The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect
culturalproperties and turned them into laws. These rules have been
twistedinto law by government servants overstepping their authority
with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever. I talked at great
length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the
alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their
position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will
never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that
meteorites are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a
fortune.Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal
government. Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman
meteorite. Our group, consisting ofseven people, were warned by BLM
agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that meteorites are not to be
resold and that they monitor eBayand other outlets. Four prominent
meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip. I was
personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will
leave it at that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I
will leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory
experiences with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search
on private property with writtenpermission if want to resell your
finds. There has been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having
their entire collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance
indicating their finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are
not allowed to dig on privateproperty for them. They have to be
surface finds. Remember, the "laws"written for artifacts and fossils
now apply to meteorites even thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in
the UNESCO guidelines which wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised
that with all of the hunting youhave engaged in over the years that
you have not been personallyinvolved with the BLM in the field.
Sometimes you run into areasonable agent, but more than likely, you
will run into one lookingexert their authority.Adam----- Original
Message ----- From: "JimWooddell via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.
com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for
clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while
back the stirred up a ruckus. The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area
supervisors> to implement or not. To beclear, they are not rules.
And, the BLM has > failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial
ventures when ask.>> If you can show me wherethese guidelines have
become rules and have > actually beenimplemented, I'd like to see
it.>> Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
wrote:>> Hi Jim and All,>>>> Unlessthey predate 1972, meteorites found
on public land cannot be used >>for commercial purposes according to
the BLM interpretations rendering >> them without commercial value.
This is even before the new "laws" >> limited meteorite recoveries to
10 pounds a year or less without a >> commercial permit. The
interesting thing is not a single commercial >> permit has ever been
issued despite being applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>> That
is why it so important to treat private landowners with the utmost >>
respect in order to gain access tounrestricted search areas.>>>>
Adam>> -- > Jim Wooddell>jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net>
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