Yep.... 100% agree. I'd go a step further and say data
analysis/classification/curation of ALL meteorites....even the little
bitty ones.
I got to tell you it's tough...very tough....being a hunter...wanting to
do the right thing getting finds classified and in curation. Especially
when I am retired and seek no profit
from any of this.
BTW, do you have an area for USA meteorites set up for displaying them?
I'll send you anything I have if you do....no strings... other than I'd
like to see them displayed.
ASU doesn't even have an Arizona display....drives me freaking nuts!
Jim
On 5/21/2014 4:07 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list wrote:
Hi Jim,
Just between you and me -- and everyone else on the internet -- I wish
NASA would spend a tiny fraction of their ~$19B annual budget on the
recovery, classification, curation, and data analysis on
scientifically valuable meteorites originating outside of Antarctica.
They spend piles of money on JPL's remote sensing probes and archiving
the data from missions but somehow the non-Antarctic samples in our
labs and university museums are not as special to them -- and as far
as I know they are from the same solar system :) :)
Carl Agee
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Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Jim Wooddell
<jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at. I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out of
the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around! ;)
If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to go
get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds could
be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!
I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make it
happen by a qualified organization
Won't believe it until I see pictures. Hiding something like this is nuts!
I am mean really.
Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.
Jim
On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:
I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.
Carl Agee
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Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
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Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
Hi Sonny,
I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
Let's go get it! Did they say how big the other pieces are?
Jim
On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
Hey Adam and list
Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third
piece
has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have
tried
to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would
be
a great case to challenge in court.
Sonny
-----Original Message-----
From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
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To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with
the
BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone with
three
different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area
that
also contains heritage items or artifacts. This included a magnet on a
stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land. The only
consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land
are
not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me,
the
thrill is finding them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From:
<wahlpe...@aol.com>To: <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>;
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake
Finds???Hey
Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds
over
the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the
LasVegas
BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact
the
State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my
experiences
with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully
find
some more Easter Eggs this weekend! : )Sonny-----Original Message-----
From: Raremeteorites via
Meteorite-list<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>To: meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08
amSubject:
Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM
adopted
the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them
into
laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input
whatsoever.
I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton
which
sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will
never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that
meteorites
are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many
peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to
theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting
ofseven
people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that
meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBayand other
outlets.
Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this
trip.
I was personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will
leave it at that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I will
leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory
experiences
with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private
property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds. There has
been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire
collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their
finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig
on
privateproperty for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember, the
"laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even
thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which
wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting
youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been
personallyinvolved
with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into areasonable agent,
but
more than likely, you will run into one lookingexert their
authority.Adam----- Original Message ----- From: "JimWooddell via
Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.
com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for
clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while
back
the stirred up a ruckus. The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area
supervisors>
to implement or not. To beclear, they are not rules. And, the BLM has
failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial ventures when ask.>> If
you
can show me wherethese guidelines have become rules and have > actually
beenimplemented, I'd like to see it.>> Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25
PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>> Hi Jim and All,>>>>
Unlessthey
predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used >>for
commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering >>
them
without commercial value. This is even before the new "laws" >> limited
meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a >> commercial
permit. The interesting thing is not a single commercial >> permit has
ever
been issued despite being applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>>
That
is why it so important to treat private landowners with the utmost >>
respect in order to gain access tounrestricted search areas.>>>> Adam>>
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