David, They say Americans do not get enough fiber in their diets, That could be it, I am going to eat a bowl of Cheerios right now! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier <>< The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 ----- Original Message ----- From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; almitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter change title to "a shut in's life"
> Dear Tom, and List; > It must be Mars proximity, the war, season's change, the world series. > All crabby-appleton's, don't be such a bunch of shut in's and give the > list and your emotions a break. Go for a walk even. Try more fiber in > your diet, geese, what ever works for you, works for me. > Encouragement to carry on "as is"! Hell, the stock market is basically > good, be happy. > It MUST be five o'clock somewhere! > Dave F. :-) :-) :-) ...hell, I just joined the AARP, I should be > sad! Let's eat more oatmeal, every day. > > Tom aka James Knudson wrote: > > >Hello List, I happen to love the list, but I have noticed something. If I > >post something about ebay, I get A LOT of responses, some agreeing, but > >most telling me to stop posting things not pertaining to meteorites. I > >happen to think Ebay is a huge part of our hobby, but I will no longer post > >anything about ebay for the good of the list. > > But what I find funny, is when I do post something meteorite related, such > >as a question, I am lucky to get a few responses, if any! So, what is it > >the list members want? I would bet all of the longest treads are about non > >meteorite related subjects! > > > >Thanks, Tom > >Peregrineflier <>< > >The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: almitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:51 PM > >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed > > > > > >>There it is. Blaine said it for me. > >>matt > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of almitt > >>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:39 PM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed > >> > >> > >>Hi list, > >> > >>Blaine has asked me to post a message he has been trying to get to the > >> > >list > > > >>for two > >>days in regards to the recent fighting. Since he has no internet access I > >>have agreed > >>to post his remarks. I am simply putting this on for him and responses can > >>go to the > >>list but I hope all this will die down now. Blaine in my opinion is a > >> > >super > > > >>sharp guy > >>and has a better feeling for the meteorite market than most people. I > >> > >think > > > >>listening > >>to his good advise is wise. All my best to everyone. > >> > >>--AL Mitterling > >> > >>From Blaine: > >> > >>ENOUGH ALREADY, > >> > >> All of these ridiculous threats, accusations and ego battles must stop. > >>They are > >>destroying the hobby! Every time there is some kind of flare up on the > >> > >list, > > > >>I get > >>phone calls from collectors asking to be dropped from my customer list > >> > >(and > > > >>from the > >>number of long term collectors I no longer hear from I suspect many more > >> > >are > > > >>taking a > >>more passive route to the same ends). When I ask why, they have all said > >> > >the > > > >>same > >>thing; "I am no longer collecting meteorites". They tend to say that it is > >>no longer > >>fun or enjoyable. When pressed further, they have pointed to the list for > >>their new > >>found distaste of meteorites. While this may be well and fine for some of > >>us, as often > >>these people also want to liquidate their collections, it bodes the > >> > >decline > > > >>of the > >>hobby. Let's look at this "hobby" thing. Some of you may find it > >>distasteful that I'm > >>putting meteorites in this realm. But, what is a hobby really about? It > >>generally is > >>something (almost anything - mountain climbing and flying ultra-lights are > >> > >a > > > >>couple of > >>mine) that brings relaxation or expands your mind to consider other things > >>(meteorites > >>fit more into this aspect). Generally it is something that takes your mind > >>off of the > >>day to day troubles of the real world. > >> > >> Let us now consider how "the list" might be affecting this. The average > >>person has > >>plenty to worry about; politics and headaches at work (or more common > >>lately, whether > >>they'll even have a job next month), car troubles, problems with some > >>neighbors, their > >>kids, schools, etc. Life these days is often fast paced and difficult. Now > >>suppose our > >>"average collector" comes home from a long difficult day at work and finds > >>plenty > >>headaches (the car is damaged, junior is failing math, etc.) waiting > >> > >there. > > > >>After > >>awhile our collector goes off to the computer for a little escape to feel > >>more in > >>contact with their hobby (and less with the real world). How long do you > >>suppose this > >>person will last as a collector if, when he turns on his computer, all he > >>gets is the > >>evils of the real world dumped in his lap, and often in a more magnified > >>form then > >>they would likely ever experience in the real world (it's strange, but > >> > >I've > > > >>observed > >>some of the most vicious people behind a computer a computer key board are > >>some of the > >>funniest, nicest people you could meet in person)? Chances are, at the > >> > >point > > > >>they find > >>that their hobby seems to be adding to their stress instead of reducing > >> > >it, > > > >>they will > >>move onto greener pastures. > >> > >>I know, many of you are thinking right now B.S.. Anybody who is on the > >> > >list > > > >>is a grown > >>person and likely a seasoned collector, so they can handle these mental > >>assaults. My > >>response is Wrong! Though the people who regularly post to the list may be > >>so, a fair > >>number of the observers are likely new to the hobby (in today's world, it > >>seems the > >>first thing someone does when they get interested in a new hobby is sign > >> > >up > > > >>for a > >>related chat room to learn more). I even suspect there are many beginning > >>(and a fair > >>number of non beginning) collectors who would like to post questions to > >> > >the > > > >>list but > >>dare not for fear of being shouted down as a moron or just plain made to > >>look foolish > >>for exposing their ignorance. > >> So what can be done? At this point it is an extremely difficult problem. > >>There are > >>many possible answers. The people involved could be drafted to help, as it > >>takes both > >>an instigator and a responder to have a full-fledged fight. I realize it > >> > >is > > > >>not very > >>realistic to expect someone to be silent after someone has slammed them, > >> > >but > > > >>there > >>would be no battles if they did. Asking people about other lists (in other > >>fields and > >>hobbies) has indicated to me that lists that have no or very limited > >>oversight tend to > >>rapidly breakdown into an ugly battle-zone. So, the most obvious answer to > >>the problem > >>is to have a dedicated moderator. If there is no such person now, then one > >>needs to be > >>found (and if one cannot be found then it is my opinion that it would be > >>best for > >>everyone to simply shut the list down, a measure I truly hope doesn't have > >>to come to > >>any real consideration). Their job would be to make certain that anything > >>that even > >>whiffs of being a threat, attack or slanderous statement never makes it to > >>the public > >>eye. To make their job easier in the long run, they may find it beneficial > >>to remove > >>those people that seem determined to regularly attempt to post such > >> > >things. > > > >>I realize > >>that many may see this as the evil CENSORSHIP, but for the long-term good > >> > >of > > > >>the hobby > >>it is necessary (and on a personal note, I don't believe "freedom of > >> > >speech" > > > >>is a > >>valid excuse to ignore this job). The list should be a place for honest > >>questions, > >>answers and information about meteorites, not a forum for flagrant > >>self-promotion and > >>damaging personal attacks. > >> > >>I know I am likely just digging my own grave that much quicker having this > >>posted. The > >>rare times in the past I have had to post something I have lost customers > >> > >in > > > >>droves > >>(likely those that may have considered my arguments to be against their > >>views). But, > >>if nothing is said, nothing can be considered or, better yet, changed. If > >>nothing is > >>done, there likely won't be much left of the hobby and I'll be out of > >>business anyway. > >>My hope is that some of the many of you that have expressed these same > >>opinions to me > >>in private (but wouldn't post them) will now come out of hiding. Oh, > >> > >that's > > > >>right, > >>that is not likely. These are the people that have pretty much quit the > >>hobby, dropped > >>from or ignore the list and will not see this. > >> > >>Blaine Reed > >> > >> > >>______________________________________________ > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > >> > >> > >>______________________________________________ > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > > >______________________________________________ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list