Hello All,

I would have to agree with Matt regarding price lists. There are far too many variables to establish a list that accurately 'prices' meteorites. Earlier discussions relating to what people rate as highest-lowest factors in value of meteorites comes into play. As many have stated, the 'market' is pretty much what people are willing to pay. As for any of the Show auctions like Tucson or Denver, I always consider anything I enter as a give back to collectors as most sell below amounts realized during the rest of the year.

Best Regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================

-----Original Message----- From: m...@mhmeteorites.com
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:55 AM
To: Count Deiro ; Darryl Pitt ; Greg Catterton
Cc: 'Meteorite List' ; John.L.Cabassi
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction

What is the NORM??? Ebay? Personal websites? Yes some items in Blood's auction sell for less than desired prices, but some get more than what they go for on ebay or personal sites. I think the big auctions are anomalously HIGH for items. But what you and I perceive as high or low is irrelevant.

Count, how do you know what all of the private sale prices are? If I told you what I sell items for to personal collector friends, it would make you cry (probably quite low since my overhead is low). The market is the MARKET, folks.

I think coming up with meteorite price lists is a joke. They don't account for all the sales that are dealer-dealer, dealer-collector, collector-collector, ebay, etc.

Matt
------------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215

-----Original Message-----
From: Count Deiro <countde...@earthlink.net>
Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:21:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
To: Darryl Pitt<dar...@dof3.com>; Greg Catterton<star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Count Deiro <countde...@earthlink.net>
Cc: 'Meteorite List'<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; John.L.Cabassi<j...@cabassi.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction

Daryl, John, Greg and Adam have all made well reasoned points on why, as Daryl said so succintly, the Tucson auction produced sales prices that were "ANOMALOUSLY" low. The Tucson sale results DID deviate from the norm. They WERE too low and fell out of the averages established by other auctions and private treaty prices.

Accepted appraisal for market value calls for the highest and lowest comparibles to be thrown out of the equation. And that is what should be done with these auctions results.

Regards,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536 MetSoc



-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Pitt <dar...@dof3.com>
Sent: Feb 24, 2011 6:08 AM
To: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Meteorite List' <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>, "John.L.Cabassi" <j...@cabassi.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction



John and Greg do indeed have terrific points.

The issue with Mike's Tucson Auction is that the prices attained are, far more often than not, anomalously low. I'm not exactly certain why---but several factors come to mind. To a lesser extent, the same occurred with the Macovich Auctions at Tucson...was it a decade ago? (Wow.)

I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this was a wholesale event. I suggested that be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace.

For me, it's precisely because this is not the same as eBay---this is a traditional auction and its perceived gravitas is far greater---that perhaps we should be more sensitive to the messages being provided. Just a thought.


Nonetheless,  I totally get the opposing point of view.

All best /  Darryl






On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:

I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said.
One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above "market" as others were under.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi <j...@cabassi.net> wrote:

From: John.L.Cabassi <j...@cabassi.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction
To: "'Michael Blood'" <mlbl...@cox.net>, "'Richard Montgomery'" <rickm...@earthlink.net>, "'Met. Darryl Pitt'" <dar...@dof3.com>
Cc: "'Meteorite List'" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM
G'Day Michael, List and All
I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to
remember that
this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were
a lot of
comments made. But why are we trying to hide something
here? Aren't we
trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the
public that
view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers /
collectors being
corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need
to give those
that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not
legit.

I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be
known, make it
be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward
from being
negative.  That's just my thoughts and not anyone
else's. But I'm a
little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me,
I'm not out
to condone anybody, but give it some thought.

Cheers
John
IMCA # 2125

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
On Behalf Of
Michael Blood
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM
To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction


1) I responded to Darryl off list.
2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST.
        Michael



On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, "Richard Montgomery" <rickm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Darryl makes a monumental point.  While, as
someone who couldn't
attend the auction, I originally asked the List if
there was any way
to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping
I could find
them somewhere....Now I suggest that Michael, Capt.
Blood, makes them
available only off-list by request to avoid
publication in a rogue
journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on
achieving TV
ratings....somehow for those of us who still don't
know (I listened to

the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes).

I know that there will be a bunch of posts about
this  (no pun
intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )...

Kevin K, what do you think?

Respect intended,
  Richard Montgomery


----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Pitt" <dar...@dof3.com>
To: "Michael Blood" <mlbl...@cox.net>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad




Michael,

Please do consider not publicly posting the auction
results---or if
you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making
it absolutely
clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace
and the prices
attained reflect the same.

The last thing needed is more confusion for the
growing legion of new
buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to
navigate the murky
waters of meteorite valuation.


Thank you for your consideration.   All
the best / Darryl




On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote:

Finally got everything off - looks like I will
survive.....barely.
        Soon to come: Auction
results/prices

        Here are some goodies:



         HAPPY
HUNTING!  Michael

All specimens may be seen at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html



BRENHAM  extremely thin sealed in oil in thick
plastic.
         This should
never rust. Increadable surface area to
         Weight.
18.3g  huge = $275 SALE = $175-

DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen
collected
         In the Monig
Collection  ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the
auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a
considerable amount
and is available for $600-

CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in
this weight range I

saw at the show) and stands nicely on
         One side and
also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500-

NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 =
$35=
         #2 or #3 =
$45,  #4 = $60

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html


MILLBILLILLIE  thin with exceptional surface
area
         #1 = $35
         #2 = $40
         #3 = $50

ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf
balls. These
         I have not
seen in years and only from the person I got them
         From and I
got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each)
         73.5g =
$150-
         109.6g =
$220-
         112,5g =
$225-
         123.1g =
$245-

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html


STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep.
         #1 = SOLD
         #2 = $50-
         #3 = $55-

LIBYAN DESERT GLASS  Huge speciem
         752.3g =
$1,500- SALE = $850-

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html


CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD

UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone.
         98%+ Fusion
Crusted
         = 40c/g =
$1,045 SALE = under 29c/g = $750

HENBURY Nice, small specimens with character
         = $3/g
sale = under $2.25/g
         38.2g =
$114- SALE = $85-
         67.4g =
$202- SALE = $150-
         70.8g =
$222- SALE = $159-

TATAHUINE Superb specimen = $65- SALE $50-

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html

NWA 6355 Lunar Full Slice 14.68g
         See full
description of this full slice at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/NWA6355_14_68g

         14.68g =
$700/g (here and elsewhere) = $10,275-
          SALE PRICE:
under $550/g = $8,000-

S-A 133.6g = $400- SALE = $275-

CHICXULUB Micro-Tektites from Haiti in Riker
Display
         = $40- SALE
= $30-

MUONIONALUSTA
         152g Supurb
Etched Full Slice = $1,520- SALE = $750-

See all specimens at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html



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