Dear Bhargavi I plead so much only because i sincerely care for *your *privacy, dignity and freedom above all. Pl dont shut up coz you and i must not shut up; but when we speak , let us speak the discourse that is fair to everyone. cheers
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, V Bhargavi <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear madam, > > There you go again... first you ask in full public view, then i answer, > then you judge, and ask me to shut up. > > Somewhere THIS cycle of violence must stop. And MY privacy and dignity > must be protected. > > Love, and take care, > Bhargavi. > > > On 26 July 2012 10:50, Nirmala Srinivasan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Bhargavi >> by any chance are you aware that Mr.Holmes is under treatment to >> pronounce the "evidence based observation" that it is the " incrminating >> psychiatric drugs for the violence- one more? If you do not have sound >> evidence , pl withdraw your statement because it violated Mr.Holmes privacy >> and rights. >> Bhargavi, you are a very intelligent person. Pl do not run away from >> yourself. This si my appeal. Help save the lives of millions of persons who >> need treatment. >> best >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, V Bhargavi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear mam, >>> >>> Good morning. Hope all is well with you. >>> >>> Just saying the same arguments does not build new knowledge. What builds >>> new knowledge is new practice. The time spent on such debates is better >>> spent in imagining a new world and new practices. >>> >>> Meanwhile, the 'disability activists' have found several articles >>> incriminating the psychiatric drugs for the violence... one more time!!! >>> >>> Love, >>> Bhargavi. >>> >>> >>> On 26 July 2012 09:27, Nirmala Srinivasan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Linda >>>> I appreciate the circulation of the IBPF letter to all of us , members >>>> of MH worldwide. I have taken the liberty of circulating to a larger group >>>> of activists in India. This group has several individuals who are truly >>>> sincere to the Cause of persons afflicted with or without treatment by >>>> advocating their rights if necessary even to refuse treatment. >>>> There are several layers of support before the refusal stage ; one >>>> such is a rights based Law that protects the person by reaching out >>>> treatment once it is established that the person needs one; the next step >>>> is to ensure informed consent of the person either thru advanced directives >>>> or thru direct dialogue.; next step is to initiate treatment depending on >>>> the extent of the affliction in terms of danger to self / others or also in >>>> terms of a bad prognosis. The latter is not and cannot be part of any Law >>>> and understandably so. >>>> The nuances elucidated above does not and need not contradict the human >>>> rights of the person nor his/her dignity of life. On the contrary, timely >>>> treatment thru medication and / or therapy is what is required to avoid >>>> mass murders like the Colarado tragedy or Virginia Tech tragedy some years >>>> back. In other words, a separate Mental Health Care legislation is a >>>> necessary step to reach out treatment; this can work successfully >>>> irrespective of stigma etc. >>>> Stigma is reinforced by those human rights lobbyists who do not >>>> understand the course of illness nor treatment. There are a few such >>>> lobbyists in India too who strongly object to a separate MH legislation and >>>> plead for a common Disability Rights legislation. Unfortunately they fail >>>> to understand the difference between the illness and disability in MI ; >>>> secondly that it is a health care law that cannot be epistemologically >>>> part of Disability legislation. Medicalisation of mental illness is no sin >>>> provided we have a rights based MHAct to ensure justice. >>>> With the above observations, I wish to put forth a question to this >>>> forum that in the event of persons like Mr.James Holmes being diagnosed >>>> with a mental disorder, and in the event of granting him 100% full legal >>>> capacity, does it mean he shall face the same punishment as anybody else >>>> which can be even death sentence ? YES coz we believe in FLC ; NO coz it >>>> is not fair to him on the grounds of an "illness" and so he needs >>>> resaonable accomodation of Law even if it does not occasionally grant him >>>> FLC. The possibility of such a Law is ensured if activists do not >>>> emotionalise mental illness and disorders in the name of humn rights. >>>> Incidentally, i did watch James Holmes trial on the first day with >>>> his mother besides him. I am sure it is not just a foto opportunity for >>>> her. If not, what else? Let us wait and watch. >>>> regards >>>> nirmala >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Linda Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Everyone, **** >>>>> >>>>> From the International Bipolar Foundation regarding a recent tragedy >>>>> where a gunman opened fire in a crowded movie theatre. It is speculated >>>>> that he was imitating the “Joker” in the Batman movie. I agree with the >>>>> author of this article – it is very possible that this individual needed >>>>> help … long before Friday’s incident … and never received it. Another >>>>> possible example re the stigma of asking for/receiving treatment or just >>>>> society in general not paying attention to the importance of mental health >>>>> and reaching out to others. **** >>>>> >>>>> See below,**** >>>>> >>>>> Thanks,**** >>>>> >>>>> Linda **** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* International Bipolar Foundation [mailto: >>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *International Bipolar >>>>> Foundation >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:05 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Aurora, Colorado Tragedy**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> <http://s.rs6.net/t?e=LD3K7wzEFbc&c=1&r=1>**** >>>>> >>>>> <http://s.rs6.net/t?e=LD3K7wzEFbc&c=3&r=1>**** >>>>> >>>>> <http://s.rs6.net/t?e=LD3K7wzEFbc&c=4&r=1>**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> <http://s.rs6.net/t?e=LD3K7wzEFbc&c=5&r=1>**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Aurora--Colorado-Tragedy.html?soid=1101605875656&aid=LD3K7wzEFbc#fblike> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> [image: International Bipolar Foundation]**** >>>>> >>>>> International Bipolar Foundation Statement >>>>> on Aurora, Colorado Tragedy**** >>>>> >>>>> *July, 2012***** >>>>> >>>>> *Greetings!***** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> We at International Bipolar Foundation mourn the loss of those killed >>>>> in the tragic shootings Friday. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the >>>>> victims' families and all those affected.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> We recognize that this senseless shooting will stimulate many >>>>> conversations about gun laws, public safety, violence and their >>>>> association >>>>> to mental illness.**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> James Holmes, the alleged gunman, opened fire on innocent moviegoers >>>>> during a midnight screening of the "The Dark Knight Rises" at an Aurora, >>>>> Colorado theater, leaving 12 people dead and 56 wounded. **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Although his actions clearly demonstrate that Mr. Holmes was grappling >>>>> with demons, it is too early in the investigation to know if he has a >>>>> mental illness or not. His actions, however, do beg us to look more >>>>> closely >>>>> at our nation's mental health system.**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> According to Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, M.D., a leading authority on the >>>>> association of violence and severe mental illness and founder of the >>>>> Treatment Advocacy Center,"People with mental illnesses who are being >>>>> treated are not more dangerous than the general population, but evidence >>>>> has become overwhelming that untreated severe mental illnesses are a >>>>> significant contributor to violent acts, including homicides and a large >>>>> percentage of rampage murders."**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Over 75 million American adults and 12.8 million children have a >>>>> mental illness (3x the number of those with diabetes and 10x the number of >>>>> ALL cancers combined). Deep cuts to state spending on services for adults >>>>> and children with mental illnesses has resulted in significant reductions >>>>> in hospital and community services. With one in four Americans suffering >>>>> from a diagnosable mental illness, the impact on society is staggering. >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Despite the alarming number of people affected with a mental illness, >>>>> statistics show that only one-third of these individuals seek treatment. >>>>> According to Dr. Thomas Insel of the National Institute of Mental Health >>>>> (NIMH), psychiatry is the only part of medicine - where there is actually >>>>> greater stigma for receiving treatment for these illnesses than for having >>>>> them.**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Four of the 10 leading causes of disability worldwide are mental >>>>> disorders. Why then do we continue to veil it in silence, bringing it out >>>>> only when tragedies such as this senseless shooting occur? Mental illness >>>>> is an issue that we as a community and a nation must address. Mental >>>>> illness affects 1 in 4 with no regard to race, gender, religion or >>>>> socio-economic status. 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Thoughts of yesterday, hauntings from >>> yesterday, caught in yesterday, today conjures up yesterday, some cannot >>> see today, and today brings new struggles, and tomorrow seems so far off, >>> and we fear it may not arrive, or tomorrow will pull us back to yesterday, >>> to the point we never know today. >>> >>> Dr. Dan Edmunds, In "The Sacred Space Between", May 22nd, 2012. >>> >>> Bhargavi Davar >>> Director >>> Center for Advocacy in Mental Health (CAMH) >>> Bapu Trust >>> >>> 020-26837647 >>> +91 9823291989 >>> >>> Website: http://bapucamhindia.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> nirmala srinivasan(ashoka fellow) >> director, ACMI >> bangalore -india >> +91 9886031659 >> > > > > -- > The problem may be time. Thoughts of yesterday, hauntings from yesterday, > caught in yesterday, today conjures up yesterday, some cannot see today, > and today brings new struggles, and tomorrow seems so far off, and we fear > it may not arrive, or tomorrow will pull us back to yesterday, to the point > we never know today. > > Dr. Dan Edmunds, In "The Sacred Space Between", May 22nd, 2012. > > Bhargavi Davar > Director > Center for Advocacy in Mental Health (CAMH) > Bapu Trust > > 020-26837647 > +91 9823291989 > > Website: http://bapucamhindia.org/ > > > -- nirmala srinivasan(ashoka fellow) director, ACMI bangalore -india +91 9886031659 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Mental Health Advocacy (News 'N Views) India" group. 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