1. I retried using the Windows 7 recovery disks and it worked.
2. If they still have a copyright and did not abandon it by conscious
decision, we should respect that. People who write software for a living
are the victims of thievery when someone pirates a copy of a proprietary
product. Copyrights last for decades, do not extinguish because the product
is no longer being sold, but can be abandoned by the manufacturer if he
does it by conscious decision. Discontinuing a product does not
automatically extinguish the copyright.
4. The Free Software Movement ( for those of you who are new around here)
is not about stealing proprietary software. You will find very few Linux
users with pirated software. Not only do some of them write software for a
living and are therefore victims of thievery, but the Free Software is
increasingly as good or better than the proprietary software. That makes it
too much easier to go with Free Software than to waste time hacking copy
protection schemes on proprietary software. My nephew works on computers
for a living in the Philippines. 90% of the systems that I saw were cobbled
together from scraps and were running pirated editions of windows. I tried
to explain to them that, if your install doesnt validate you cant get the
upgrades and most of the upgrades are Windows Malicious Software removal
tools and the like. I saw a university get a windows virus that wiped out a
whole semesters worth of grades and ill bet money that the culprit was one
of the cobbled together systems with pirated windows software in the
student lab.
5. I use Linux because it doesnt have copy protection schemes. You haven´t
experienced a night mare until you have to reinstall Windows after
replacing a motherboard. Linux doesnt know and doesnt care. Or found out
too late that one of your Windows Recovery CDś is damaged. With Linux you
can just download another CD.
6. Joe is also correct that although just about anything related to
computers is fair game for this forum, years ago we made the conscious
decision that the only postings related to Windows that were okay are ones
that concerned Linux, for instance, if LILO couldnt find Windows to offer
it as a booting option, or the new user couldnt get his windows partition
mounted in Linux I was right at the boundary but posted anyway because it
was about Linux in the sense that I was uninstalling Linux.
We did this because at the the time, one of our main objectives was to
create a place where users, especially new ones, would have a forum all to
themselves to talk about getting Linux to do what you wanted it to. As
recently as a few years ago, 90% of Linux users were dual booting because
Linux sometimes didnt do everything. We felt that the users of proprietary
software, like Windows, should turn to the person who sold it to them for
customer support, being as that is, or should be, included in the purchase
price.
Ubuntu changed everything a few years later. We used to have ïnstall fests
on a Saturday so that new users would have someone right there when Linux
couldnt work their internet access or they got a black screen when they did
the first boot up of linux. There are millions of Linux only systems around
the world, because of Ubuntu. There are about six in this house.
I took Windows out two weeks after I bought my new laptop. My six year old
talks about how slow the E is (Windows internet explorer) and wants the
Globe (Firefox.) I raised him right, real computers have Tux all over the
place.
The one spot where I am taking issue is the use of Whine. Whine runs
windows programs very slowly, and often cant identify something in a USB
port or gets overwhelmed by more than very basic graphics. It also has some
risk that it could run a Windows virus. For that reason, I deliberately
keep it out of my system, I think that it is also time for some of the
proprietary software writers like income tax software, to develop Linux
editions. There is no protocol against selling a Linux program, it just
doesnt happen that often because your package manager can find you 15,000
pieces of free software.
It also would have been perfectly legal for someone to lend me the current
edition of proprietary software, run it for me, or give me an old version
that he had paid for after he had bought a newer version. You can give away
a piece of software that you have paid for, provided that, if the license
is for only one install, you give away the license and stop using it
yourself.
On , Joseph Apuzzo <[email protected]> wrote:
First:
PartitionMagic 5.0 is still being sold, so it's NOT abandon-ware NOR free
in any sense:
http://www.amazon.com/Powerquest-PM5ENRCD-PartitionMagic-5-0/dp/B00002S9PT
Second: you should not need it since Windows 7 ships on a boot DVD ( that
is licensed version ) or the recovery CD that comes from the PC maker;
both will be able to "partition" the Hard Drive as needed.
If the PC does not have a DVD driver to boot from, or you don't have a
LICENSED version of Windows 7 or you don't have a copy of the
recovery "disk(s)" I would suggest buying a copy of Windows XP or us
Linux Mint which is free (http://linuxmint.com/) which will be modern,
less buggy then XP, and just as usable. Wine may run what XP programs you
need:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
But unless you have the required licenses you can't and should not
install any OS you DO NOT OWN!
Please do not ask for license software as it is illegal to distribute.
Any further posts to the list of this nature will not be tolerated. Also
please keep in mind that this is a Linux/Open Source email list and keep
things on topic.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:52 PM, [email protected]> wrote:
If Norton owned it it was proprietary sofrware. Iĺl check out the sources
that you mentioned. I am on the way out of the house, but thanks for your
help.
If it no longer exists, maybe the abandoned the rights without making it
GPL.
On , Matthias Johnson [email protected]> wrote:
>
> It also no longer exists from norton as of 07 from Wikipedia. I
personally use parted magic which is a live linux cd that does
partitioning. I think gparted also has a live cd version. I would just
delete all partitions and the let the recovery cd make whatever it wants
as if it was a new unformatted drive.
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> Matthias
> On Nov 14, 2011 4:34 PM, "Mark Wallace" [email protected]> wrote:
> It is? I haven't used it in years and I am concerned that it won't
create what I need for Windows 7 anyway. Do the programs that you
mentioned run in DOS and create the partitions needed for Windows 7? What
are they. I think that you need a main partition and a partition for the
recovery files.
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> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Matthias Johnson
[email protected]> wrote:
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> I believe Partition Magic is licensed so I dont use it when I can use
Parted Magic or gparted which are OSS.
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> Matthias
> On Nov 14, 2011 4:21 PM, "Mark Wallace" [email protected]> wrote:
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>
> I am putting windows back in a system because somebody doesn't like
Linux and the recovery CD's for Windows aren't properly creating the
partitions.
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> I also don't completely know what I am doing, never having seen
somebody who had Linux completely installed and configured want to go
back.
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> I can pick up the CD.
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