I don't normally chime in because others have more knowledge and are faster 
than I.  But I take issue with your assertion that "battery electric cars are 
still a stupid idea."

Yes, they have drawbacks (limited range & higher initial cost), but they also 
have advantages (lower operating cost & less foreign oil dependence).  Current 
electric cars are not for everyone and you really need a second "long distance" 
car for road trips.

But just like a diesel pickup is great for towing, an electric car is great for 
commuting.  I drive just over 100 miles on some days and 70 or so on most.  My 
car will easily do 80 on the highway with plenty of power left for passing.  I 
don't spare the accelerator pedal and haven't changed any of my driving habits. 
 It's a real car.

I pay .03 per mile to drive my electric car versus .13 per mile to drive my 
midsize sedan.  I paid a $15,000 premium for the electric car (without 
incentives) and it will take 150,000 miles to even that out.  I drive 25k miles 
per year, so in 6 years, I'll be even.

But for me, the real advantage is that we've got a zillion ways to make 
electricity, but a whole lot less ways to make gas.  No more of my money will 
go to middle east countries that hate America.  Since I have solar panels on my 
roof, I am 100% in control of my transportation costs.  That's worth a lot to 
me.

An electric car my not suit your needs or driving style - that's ok.  But for 
up to 80% of Americans, it could.  And that could make a very real difference 
in national energy supply and national security.

Brian



From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Alster
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:56 AM
To: 'Ray Ayala'
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Miata electric conversion

That's not totally fair since you get rid of the weight of the IC engine.  That 
said battery electric cars are still a stupid idea.




Larry Alster

91 Miata  White Knight
92 Miata  Silver Bullet
92 Miata  Honey B
04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh
06 WRX STi Subie

From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Ayala
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:13 AM
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion

See how you like driving around with 250lbs of sandbags in the car before 
spending money on 250lbs of batteries.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Loe<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion

Okay I'm much more a "track nerd" than an "eco nerd", so I'm not really in the 
target demographic for this product. But ~$15k to turn a Miata into an electric 
with a 90 mile range?

Suddenly I can think of about 100 more interesting things to do with $15k.

Steven Loe

On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Here is an interesting 'power' idea for the early Miata: electric conversion 
kit. I'd call it: PEVmiata.
Will FM be building these? Hard to say Flyin' Miata and battery power in the 
same sentence with a straight face. Much like the V-8 conversions are the 
average-man's super-car, this could be the average-man's Tesla Roadster.
http://green.autoblog.com/2011/09/28/new-kit-makes-converting-your-miata-to-electric-power-easier-tha/
http://www.evmiata.com/
Interesting indeed!
Jim in Tucson
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