ReadFamily wrote:
> 
> Are we fooling ourselves a little with pretending that there is a difference 
> between removing kinetic energy from a flowing stream and > driving a turbine 
> with a high head using the potential energy of the water.
> 
> In a stream there is a relationship between speed of flow and difference in 
> height. It may be complex, but its there, and we know it > intuitively to 
> some extent.

You are alluding to a useful concept known as the "velocity head". This is the
height that an object is required to fall solely under the influence of gravity,
without any friction or other losses so as to reach the given velocity.  The
relationship is NOT complex, the velocity head (H) = V^2/(2*g), where g is the
gravitational constant, which in the metric system has a value of 9.8.  So for
example, if V = 2 meters/sec the associated velocity head is 0.204 metre.

> If the stream is level then its a lake - it doesnt move - as the difference 
> in height grows, so does the horizontal component of gravity and > so the 
> horizontal force applied to the water, hence its acceleration. 

NO - part 1.
Imagine water exiting a tank through a hole in the side, with water being
replaced at the same rate by being piped in through a second hole on the other
side of the tank.  Clearly water is moving, but provided there is not turbulence
the water in the tank remains level.

NO = part 2
Our sense of what up and what is down is due to gravity.  By definition, gravity
cannot have a horizontal component. 

I have previously argued through this eGroup that hydraulics is far from being
intuitively obvious, except for a gifted few.  Once again, intuition fails.

> The water accelerates to the point where the forces holding it back are the 
> same as the forces pulling it downstream...  ...

The ideas you are expressing here form part of classical hydraulics - this had
been systematically studied and the quantitative relationships determined by the
middle of the 19th century. It is all available on the internet - put the
following keywords into your favourite search engine "hydraulics, Manning's
equation, Bernoulli's equation, critical flow, super critical flow" and you will
find much to interest and challenge you. 

Regards,

Max Enfield
Planetary Power






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