I have been told the 757 was essentially a "hand-built" airplane. Boeing broke up the gigs.
The only people who seem not to miss the 757 are Boeing management. Weird. Boeing invented the Middle of the Market with the 767-200 and 757-200 only to abandon it. Regards, Addison Schonland www.airinsight.aero<http://www.airinsight.aero/> (858) 536-9900 (858) 682-4931 – WhatsApp ________________________________ From: Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2025 5:15 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: Addison Schonland <[email protected]>; Karl L. Swartz <[email protected]> Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 73776] Re: 797 Good analysis, but I have comments. (Big surprise to those who know me well.) FWIW, I think Boeing’s decision to abandon the 757’s market was a huge f-up, albeit one with qualifications. The market upsized, and the MAX 9 does not effectively compete with the A321. The better competitor would be the MAX 10, and that remains to be certified. Ok, except the 737-10 (MAX 10) lacks the range of the A321XLR, so it’s not an effective competitor. Boeing really has nothing to offer in response to the XLR. ... the discontinuation of efforts to develop a successor to the iconic aircraft has been attributed to the 757’s high production costs. I’ve not not heard that concern, and don’t understand why the 757 would be significantly more expensive to build, other than slower rates. FWIW, I’ve walked the 757 production line, though I’ll admit to being mostly a kid in a candy store. It didn’t seem to be significantly different from the 737 line. — One thing you didn’t mention is the engine issue: there wasn’t a good replacement for the PW2000 or the RB.211-535 for the 757. Talking with pilots of the A321neo, a common complaint is that it’s underpowered and struggles to climb to cruise altitudes. (As a passenger, it may be my favourite current aircraft, which is saying a lot for someone who once actively avoided A320-family aircraft). -- Karl On Aug 18, 2025, at 5:51 AM, Addison Schonland via Mifnet <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: The July duopoly numbers are published. Here’s my take on what it says about not replacing the 757. https://airinsight.com/july-duopoly-data-demonstrates-boeings-757-error/ Regards, Addison Schonland www.airinsight.aero<http://www.airinsight.aero/> (858) 536-9900 (858) 682-4931 – WhatsApp From: Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2025 8:09 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Karl L. Swartz <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 73671] Re: 797 Jack, what recent article is that? I’ve seen that assertion quite a few times, albeit always from click-bait or AI-slop sources. Whilst Boeing may be reopening studies, that’s a long way from any sort of launch. Boeing has their hands full getting the 737-7, 737-10, 777-9, and maybe 777-8 certified, and bringing up a 737 line at Everett. That’s their focus right now. 797 would be the plausible name for such an aircraft but keep in mind that that the 787 did not receive that designation until after launch—the launch order called in the 7E7 Dreamliner: https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2004-04-26-Boeing-Launches-7E7-Dreamliner Without knowing the general parameters of such an aircraft it’s difficult to say if there are engines for it. The engine manufacturers already have their hands full. Perhaps a scaled-down Rolls-Royce UltraFan? There’s been some work in that direction: https://aviationweek.com/aerospace/aircraft-propulsion/rolls-royce-launches-single-aisle-ultrafan-demonstrator-design -- Karl On Aug 17, 2025, at 10:09 AM, Jack Keady via Mifnet <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: keady - recent article says Boeing is cranking up study of middle market widebody currently called 797 i think. Question - have engines developed enough to warrant a new airframe? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revised: 20250507 You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't exactly cost-free. 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