A fully loaded A320 would have little trouble either, as Eric has alluded to. We flew to the Canary Islands from Leeds-Bradford which was only about 500ft longer. I think an A321 might be ok too but I'd have to check my books on that.
You almost certainly wouldn't fly back into BUR if you lost an engine after take off but that's a separate issue, coincidentally linked to the thread regarding the YouTube output of Captain “Steeeeeve”. I'm no longer a huge fan of pilot "Steeeve". Like Doug, I used to think he put in a fairly balanced and measured take on things but I went off his output several months ago when I thought too many inconsistencies, over-dramatisations and pure speculation crept in. Which is a shame. His very speculative take on the Air India crash was the final straw for me and his recent piece on the 737 engine failure out of Burbank was also lacking in the real world pragmatism he used to be quite good at. To explain further, he made a big deal out of how the pilots with that particular engine failure would suddenly have to do some serious decision making about returning to BUR or finding somewhere longer but I think this is nonsense. In most flight decks those decisions would (should) have already been made and discussed in considerable detail in the pre-departure brief. If those pilots were worth their salaries - and I've no doubt they were - they'd have already worked out their heavyweight single-engine landing performance on the ground well before engine start, hence they should already have known that a single-engine landing in BUR might be tight and LA was the better option. Likewise for any failure affecting the landing distance (flaps jammed, tyre burst on take-off etc). They’d also know that BUR might still be ok for a rapid two-engined heavyweight return if, say, the cabin started filling with smoke after take-off but everything else that kept the aircraft flying (and could stop it on a runway) was still working normally (gear, flaps, brakes, anti-skid, reversers etc). A route to the alternate airfield with runway in use would also likely to have been inserted into the secondary flight plan facility in the FMC prior to taxying, with all the landing performance data and latest weather plus all the possible holding patterns cross-checked to further reduce workload in the air when the bells & whistles are blowing and ATC are trying to get information out of you. (I’m assuming the 737 has such secondary route facilities in the 737s. Boeing FMCs have always been better than the Airbus ones. Even older Boeings). That’s certainly how we were trained to do things on this side of the pond. Simon
An fully loaded A320 would have little trouble either. We flew to the Canary Islands from Leeds-Bradford which was only about 500ft longer. I think an A311 might be ok too but I'd have to check my books on that.You almost certainly wouldn't fly back into BUR if you lost an engine after take off but that's a separate issue.Continuing with that subject and linking to another thread, I'm no longer a huge fan of pilot "Steeeve" on YouTube. Like Doug, I used to think he put in a fairly balanced and measured take on things but I went off his output more recently when I thought too many inconsistencies, over-dramatisations and pure speculation crept in. Shame. He put out a speculative take on the Air India crash which was the final straw for me. His recent piece on the 737 engine failure out of Burbank was also lacking in realism, I thought. He made a big deal out of how the pilots with that engine failure would suddenly have to do some serious decision making about returning to BUR or finding somewhere longer but that's nonsense. Those decisions would have been made and discussed in full in the pre-departure brief and if those pilots were worth their salaries - and I've no doubt they were - they'd have already worked out the heavyweight single-engine landing performance on the ground before engine start. So they should already have known that a single-engine landing in BUR might be tight and LA was the better option. Likewise for any failure affecting the landing distance (flaps jammed, tyre burst on take-off etc), and that BUR was ok for a rapid two-engined heavyweight return if the cabin started filling with smoke after take-off. A return to the emergency alternate would likely have been inserted into the secondary flight plan facility in the FMC with all the landing performance data and latest weather too, plus all the possible holding patterns cross-checked to further reduce workload in the air when the bells & whistles are blowing and ATC are talking to you. (Assuming the 737 has this facilities in the 737s. Boeing FMCs have always been better than the Airbus ones).At least, that's how we did things over here but what do we know with our measly 250 hour frozen-ATPL requirement and part-privatised ATC system? (Although at least they are still being paid to turn up to work). Simon
-------- Original message -------- From: "Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet" <[email protected]> Date: 26/10/2025 03:51 (GMT+00:00) To: Mifnet <[email protected]> Cc: "Karl L. Swartz" <[email protected]> Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 74585] Re: Aloha, Burbank! Alaska Airlines launches first direct Hawaiʻi flight in 20+ years Easy, peasy. BUR’s longest runway is 6,886 feet long, nearly 1,200 feet longer than the longest at SNA (5,700 feet) from which Aloha was flying 737-300s to Hawaii 25 years ago. The photograph is of N477AS, a 737-990ER, which would probably struggle off that runway with a decent payload, but a smaller 737 (NG or MAX) should be able to do it easily enough. -- Karl
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-------- Original message --------From: "Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet" <[email protected]> Date: 26/10/2025 03:51 (GMT+00:00) To: Mifnet <[email protected]> Cc: "Karl L. Swartz" <[email protected]> Subject: [Mifnet ð° 74585] Re: Aloha, Burbank! Alaska Airlines launches first direct HawaiÊ»i flight in 20+ years Easy, peasy. BURâs longest runway is 6,886 feet long, nearly 1,200 feet longer than the longest at SNA (5,700 feet) from which Aloha was flying 737-300s to Hawaii 25 years ago.The photograph is of N477AS, a 737-990ER, which would probably struggle off that runway with a decent payload, but a smaller 737 (NG or MAX) should be able to do it easily enough. -- KarlOn Oct 25, 2025, at 4:46 PM, Jack Keady via Mifnet <[email protected]> wrote: amazing that they have jets that can go that far from that short a runway On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 02:43:42 PM PDT, Elwood Marshall <[email protected]> wrote: www.foxla.com Aloha, Burbank! Alaska Airlines launches first direct HawaiÊ»i flight in 20+ years The new route arrives months before the opening of a replacement passenger terminal at Hollywood Burbank Airport in October 2026. ð https://www.foxla.com/news/aloha-burbank-alaska-airlines-launches-first-direct-hawaicabbi-flight-20-years  --------------------------------------------------------------------------Revised: 20250507You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list.The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't exactly cost-free. If you'd care to make a small contribution to the effort, please know that it would be greatly appreciated:https://wardell.us/url/mifbitAll posts sent to the list should abide by these policies:1) List members acknowledge that participation in Mifnet is a privilege--not a right.2) Posts are always off the record, absent specific permission from the author.3) The tone of discussions is collegial.4) Posts are expected to be in reasonably good taste.5) We discuss ideas and not personalities, and we don't speak ill of other Mifnet members.* The Mifnet WEB SITE is:  https://www.mifnet.com/* To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at any time please visit:  https://lists.mifnet.com/  OR: SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: [email protected]?subject=leave* Send Mifnet mailing list POSTS/SUBMISSIONS to:  [email protected]* You may reach the person managing The Mifnet at:  [email protected]* Please consider the DIGEST version of The Mifnet, which consolidates all list traffic into 1-3  messages daily. See instructions at:  https://lists.mifnet.com/* Manage your personal Mifnet SUBSCRIPTION at:  https://lists.mifnet.com/* For a list of all available Mifnet commands, SEND THIS MESSAGE via email:  [email protected]?subject=help* View The Mifnet LIST POLICIES and PRIVACY POLICY at:  https://mifnet.com/index.php/policies* View instructions for Mifnet DELIVERY PROBLEMS at:  https://mifnet.com/index.php/delivery-problems* View The Mifnet LIST ARCHIVE at:  https://lists.mifnet.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/
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