On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 8:11 AM srbrown via Mifnet <[email protected]> wrote:
> A fully loaded A320 would have little trouble either, as Eric has alluded > to. We flew to the Canary Islands from Leeds-Bradford which was only about > 500ft longer. I think an A321 might be ok too but I'd have to check my > books on that. > > > > You almost certainly wouldn't fly back into BUR if you lost an engine > after take off but that's a separate issue, coincidentally linked to the > thread regarding the YouTube output of Captain “Steeeeeve”. I'm no longer a > huge fan of pilot "Steeeve". Like Doug, I used to think he put in a fairly > balanced and measured take on things but I went off his output several > months ago when I thought too many inconsistencies, over-dramatisations and > pure speculation crept in. Which is a shame. His very speculative take on > the Air India crash was the final straw for me and his recent piece on the > 737 engine failure out of Burbank was also lacking in the real world > pragmatism he used to be quite good at. To explain further, he made a big > deal out of how the pilots with that particular engine failure would > suddenly have to do some serious decision making about returning to BUR or > finding somewhere longer but I think this is nonsense. In most flight decks > those decisions would (should) have already been made and discussed in > considerable detail in the pre-departure brief. If those pilots were worth > their salaries - and I've no doubt they were - they'd have already worked > out their heavyweight single-engine landing performance on the ground well > before engine start, hence they should already have known that a > single-engine landing in BUR might be tight and LA was the better option. > Likewise for any failure affecting the landing distance (flaps jammed, tyre > burst on take-off etc). They’d also know that BUR might still be ok for a > rapid two-engined heavyweight return if, say, the cabin started filling > with smoke after take-off but everything else that kept the aircraft flying > (and could stop it on a runway) was still working normally (gear, flaps, > brakes, anti-skid, reversers etc). A route to the alternate airfield with > runway in use would also likely to have been inserted into the secondary > flight plan facility in the FMC prior to taxying, with all the landing > performance data and latest weather plus all the possible holding patterns > cross-checked to further reduce workload in the air when the bells & > whistles are blowing and ATC are trying to get information out of you. (I’m > assuming the 737 has such secondary route facilities in the 737s. Boeing > FMCs have always been better than the Airbus ones. Even older Boeings). > > > > That’s certainly how we were trained to do things on this side of the pond. > > > > Simon > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Revised: 20250507 > > You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. > > The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't > exactly cost-free. If you'd care to make a small contribution to the > effort, please know that it would be greatly appreciated: > https://wardell.us/url/mifbit > > All posts sent to the list should abide by these policies: > > 1) List members acknowledge that participation in Mifnet is a > privilege--not a right. > 2) Posts are always off the record, absent specific permission from the > author. > 3) The tone of discussions is collegial. > 4) Posts are expected to be in reasonably good taste. > 5) We discuss ideas and not personalities, and we don't speak ill of other > Mifnet members. > > * The Mifnet WEB SITE is: > https://www.mifnet.com/ > > * To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at any time please visit: > https://lists.mifnet.com/ > OR: SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: > [email protected]?subject=leave > > * Send Mifnet mailing list POSTS/SUBMISSIONS to: > [email protected] > > * You may reach the person managing The Mifnet at: > [email protected] > > * Please consider the DIGEST version of The Mifnet, which consolidates all > list traffic into 1-3 > messages daily. See instructions at: > https://lists.mifnet.com/ > > * Manage your personal Mifnet SUBSCRIPTION at: > https://lists.mifnet.com/ > > * For a list of all available Mifnet commands, SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: > [email protected]?subject=help > > * View The Mifnet LIST POLICIES and PRIVACY POLICY at: > https://mifnet.com/index.php/policies > > * View instructions for Mifnet DELIVERY PROBLEMS at: > https://mifnet.com/index.php/delivery-problems > > * View The Mifnet LIST ARCHIVE at: > https://lists.mifnet.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ >
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