Kay,
Good points. I think at this time, while it¹d be a nice feature, its maybe
more work than its worth (unless we had some easy way to create over-ride
permissions).
Ryan
On 9/14/09 22:13, "Kay Chau" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> When you are talking about this extra permission, do you mean enforcing the
> age range for client creation (Issue 2500, the enhancement Chandan is
> submitting a patch for), or enforcing the age range for loan products (Issue
> 2501)?
>
> In the first scenario (Issue 2500), there would be a permission "Can override
> client creation age requirements", and if the user has that checked, then they
> can create clients of any age independent of the what's set in configuration,
> right?
>
> If so, how often do you think this will occur? Will it be often that they
> create new clients independently that are outside of the age range?
>
> Chandan, for this enhancement, could you fill out a Feature Request page so we
> have this documented?
>
> http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/FeatureRequest
>
> When a patch like this gets accepted, we are able to use the information in
> the Feature Request to also update the functional specs, etc.
>
> Thanks!
> Kay
>
>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:47 AM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Cc: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] [Mifos-developer] FEATURE: enforced
>> agerange for
>> > new clients
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi everyone
>> >
>> > I am really sorry for the delay.
>> >
>> > I am attaching the patch that I wrote over the last week. Currently there
>> are a few
>> > errors in the acceptance testing, but it seems to be a problem with the
>> browser
>> > rather than the patch. I have attached the surefire test report for
>> reference.
>> >
>> > Ryan it's a really great idea that you have suggested. I am not really sure
>> about the
>> > right way to efficiently implement this though. I think this needs further
>> > discussion? Currently, the patch I have attached doesn't have this
>> functionality.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you and Regards
>> > Chandan
>> >
>> > PS: The test suite I have attached contains 24 errors. 20 of which are
>> Element
>> > login.input.username not found. When I ran it today there 43 out of which
>> 40
>> > where Element login.input.username not found. So I am pretty sure these
>> errors
>> > are not due to the patch.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Ryan Whitney [mailto:[email protected]]
>> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:13 PM
>> > To: Mifos functional discussions
>> > Cc: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] [Mifos-developer] FEATURE: enforced age
>> range for
>> > new clients
>> >
>> > Chandan,
>> >
>> > I would like to add a request for the addition of this feature. Can we had
>> a role to
>> > permissions for overriding this requirement? I can see instance where a >>
MFI
>> > might make the decision to award a loan to and individual who falls outside
>> of the
>> > age range. In that case, to open a loan, they would have to shutdown
>> Mifos, change
>> > the configuration, start Mifos, create the loan, shutdown, change the
>> config back,
>> > and start Mifos again.
>> >
>> > Seems better for things like this to create the option to give certain
>> people rights to
>> > override the requirements.
>> >
>> > Ryan
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/11/09 8:02, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi Adam Feuer
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > It was great meeting you and Matt too :)
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Regarding the notes for date validation, they are as following;
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) Grameen Koota wants validation for the new Client creation screen.
>>> > > The problems they are facing is that since there is no/limited
>>> > > validation there are lots of data that is either plain wrong or doesn't
>>> conform to
>> > their rules.
>>> > >
>>> > > 2)Since they are planning to roll out the Micro Insurance product you
>>> > > mentioned, it is imperative that they have clean data and they also
>>> > > enter clean data in the future.
>>> > >
>>> > > 3)Regarding the specifications.
>>> > >
>>> > > a) Currently they need an age validation [age range] that will be
>>> > > applied globally to all the clients.
>>> > >
>>> > > b) They are also concerned that some string [non-numeric] patterns are
>>> > > accepted by the system.
>>> > >
>>> > > Apart from these,
>>> > >
>>> > > c) They haven't communicated any need for age ranges being part of the
>>> > > product offering, but obviously any such feature would give them more
>>> > > options. But, they don't have a requirement for it currently.
>>> > >
>>> > > d) During the course of my discussion with them I did happen to ask
>>> > > them if they wanted to have similar age verifications for their
>>> > > personnel screen. They said it would be helpful ( They have a minimum
>>> > > age specification for now). But again, this is just a simple
>>> > > replication of the process for the client screen with probably an
>>> additional
>> > parameter in the configuration file.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Adam M, I will be sending the patch by the end of the day. It will be
>>> > > able to handle the cases (a) and (b).
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Thank you and regards
>>> > > Chandan
>>> > > Sungard Technology Services
>>> > > Bangalore
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: Ryan Whitney [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:41 PM
>>> > > To: Mifos software development; Mifos functional discussions
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] [Mifos-developer] FEATURE: enforced
>>> > > age range for new clients
>>> > >
>>> > > On 9/10/09 17:09, "Adam Feuer" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Ryan Whitney
>>>> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> > >>> Moving this to the functional list as its more appropriate there I
>>>>> > >>> would expand on Puspadhar¹s request and add in a more feature
>>>>> > >>> request for adding in flexible product requirements. So instead of
>>>>> > >>> just putting in age check, the MFI could easily configure different
>>>>> > >>> type of loan checks that are relevant to their operations.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Ryan,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Hi, I am just back from meetings with Sungard today, and I chatted
>>>> > >> with Chandan about this feature - and yesterday had some discussions
>>>> > >> with GK about the specification and need for this feature.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> It would be good to have some more validation on other products.
>>>> > >> However, my understanding is that GK urgently needs the feature as
>>>> > >> Chandan has programmed it to support the rollout of a microinsurance
>>>> > >> product. Chandan said he will forward his notes on the validation
>>>> > >> business requirements to the list so we can look at them and make
>>>> > >> suggestions.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Is there a way we can accept Chandan's patch quickly, so that GK is
>>>> > >> happy, and then look at how to do validation for various product
>>>> > >> fields in the longer term? What are your thoughts?
>>> > >
>>> > > Adam,
>>> > >
>>> > > I was responding to Puspadhar's e-mail about asking for age
>>> > > verification at a product level. I think Chandan's request are fine
>>> > > for age check for the client and the configuration ideas that Adam M
>>> > > sent were spot on (In fact, I know a few other MFI's have asked for age
>> > verification).
>>> > >
>>> > > Ryan
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ryan Whitney
>> > Mifos Technical Program Manager
>> > [email protected]
>> > Mifos - Technology that Empowers Microfinance (www.mifos.org)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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