Bravo!!
On Jun 15, 3:05 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> There should be an 'anti-hoarding' clause enforced in capitalism and
> free enterprise :-)
> Yes, prison population supports private enterprise with slave labor.
> The federal prison factories have been putting small business out of
> business because they can't compete against 25 cent an hour labor.
> I know of one privately owned detention facility owned by two judges.
> I was there when it was brand new and got to visit again ten years
> later. They were still using the same bed linen, you could see through
> it clearly. The plastic covered foam rubber mattresses (2" thick) were
> disintegrating and there were about half as many pillows as detainees.
> They brought in new mattresses, same type, with an extra lump of foam
> on one end so they didn't have to provide pillows.
> I think the judges were getting $235 per day per resident at that time
> for providing the new federal standard accommodations.
>
> peace & Love
>
> On Jun 15, 10:10 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "... And you are right, they are constantly improving their methods
> > to increase the prison populations, regardless of what their chosen
> > victim actually did."... tink
>
> > What's up tink, are you against capitalism?..free enterprise? The
> > prison population goes up to support private enterprise…a good thing,
> > no? ;-)
>
> > On Jun 14, 4:25 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > The US government has earned it's reduced status in the eyes of the
> > > world.
> > > Those who support the US government with the idea "Love it or Leave
> > > it", have earned the counter of "Love the people of Earth or leave
> > > it".
>
> > > I'm very familiar with the real side of our court system. And you are
> > > right, they are constantly improving their methods to increase the
> > > prison populations, regardless of what their chosen victim actually
> > > did.
>
> > > It really is scary to see the finer fruits of propaganda from the
> > > powers that be.
>
> > > peace & Love
>
> > > On Jun 14, 5:17 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm aware the U.S. has suffered in world opinion. It really can't be
> > > > helped if you choose to see things in treaties or laws that simply
> > > > aren't there. Much the same thing is happening in our court system
> > > > now. We are moving away from following the law as it is written to a
> > > > more case by case study based on a perpetrators past experiences
> > > > rather then a judgment on what he did. We may even end up with a new
> > > > amendment soon.
>
> > > > Prisoners of war are soldiers. They have a rank and a serial number.
> > > > They wear uniforms. Because of this affiliation with the military
> > > > they are awarded rights under the Geneva Conventions. People fighting
> > > > our military that are not military themselves DO NOT have the rights
> > > > that are reserved for soldiers. That is a the truth and not just my
> > > > opinion. If your argument is that this is wrong and we should call
> > > > everyone a pow regardless of military affiliation then that is fine.
>
> > > > I'd accept it if someone wrote a 'declaration of intent' claiming to
> > > > be a soldier and posted it on the internet and kept a copy on their
> > > > person and used a red scarf or blue scarf or black scarf or whatever
> > > > tied around their left arm as a uniform. As long as it is organized
> > > > with ranks and bases I'd go along with it even if it was ad-hoc.
> > > > Fine-your a soldier; you get pow status. What these terrorists do is
> > > > hide behind civilians. Under schools and mosques building bombs that
> > > > kill civilians. Civilians are their targets as often as not. They
> > > > set their bomb off or ambush a police station wearing masks and then
> > > > go home and make BBQ. These aren't soldiers iam. These are
> > > > terrorists. It saddens me you and many other people don't see the
> > > > difference.
>
> > > > dj
>
> > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 2:41 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > You do not need to cut me slack because I don't live there anymore..
> > > > > I am
> > > > > just not under the sway of the republican propaganda machine.
>
> > > > > and just what amm I supposed to do a google search under .. POW
> > > > > Treaty?
>
> > > > > Gitmo Is A Prisoner of war camp in the eyes of the rest of the
> > > > > world.. and
> > > > > the people being held there are prisoners of war... buy all but
> > > > > bushes
> > > > > definition.. Because the weasel bush sez something different,, it is
> > > > > not
> > > > > his privilege to redefine treaties,, they are still prisoners of
> > > > > war.. they
> > > > > were combants, they were fighting on the other side of a declared war
> > > > > so
> > > > > therefore they are prisoners of war by a legally agreed treaty one
> > > > > that was
> > > > > drawn up by the USA government at the time..
>
> > > > > even an appointed president does not have the right to break a
> > > > > treaty.. and
> > > > > Gitmo breaks the POW treaty. which makes all officers in direct
> > > > > violation
> > > > > of American laws and Bush , Cheney and cronies charged wit treason
> > > > > and high
> > > > > crimes for which they are accountable for even after they left
> > > > > office.
>
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >> iam. I'm cutting you serious slack because, since you don't live
> > > > >> here
> > > > >> anymore, you obviously don't pay attention to what should be common
> > > > >> knowledge to a concerned American citizen. I'm not arguing that
> > > > >> torture is good or even necessary in this post. Nor am I advocating
> > > > >> humiliation. I might do that in another post(or I might not), but
> > > > >> this one is about clearing up some misconceptions you have about
> > > > >> international treaties.
>
> > > > >> #1) the detainees are NOT prisoners of war. If you can accept this
> > > > >> fact(any google search should clear this up for you) then it pretty
> > > > >> much negates most of your objections to U.S. breaking international
> > > > >> law.
>
> > > > >> #2)Refer to #1 for all other objections.
>
> > > > >> 'nuf said
>
> > > > >> dj
>
> > > > >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:20 PM, iam deheretic<[email protected]>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > SD sometimes you make me laugh, All pirsoners of war are entitled
> > > > >> > to a
> > > > >> > certian level of treatment guarenteed by international treaty,
> > > > >> > Which the
> > > > >> > USA
> > > > >> > is a signing member and it has been approved by the US Senate,
> > > > >> > which
> > > > >> > must
> > > > >> > ratify all treaties.. It keeps our soldiers protected in times of
> > > > >> > war..
> > > > >> > Keeps them from being lined up and shoot.. as you put it..
>
> > > > >> > Now in Gitmo's case this very valuable treaty was ignored so they
> > > > >> > could
> > > > >> > preform torture physical humiliation and other degrading acts for
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > benefit of their sadistic egos.
>
> > > > >> > The truth is gitmo was a shifting of gears,, away from an agreed
> > > > >> > treaty,,
> > > > >> > making the word of the USA worthless and treaties not worth the
> > > > >> > paper
> > > > >> > they
> > > > >> > were written on. Personally I am surprised it is such a small
> > > > >> > percentage
> > > > >> > that returned to combat. I personally hate war, but if I was
> > > > >> > treated the
> > > > >> > way
> > > > >> > these POW's were treated by bush and the us military and
> > > > >> > intelligence I
> > > > >> > would be sure doing a re-think about my position
>
> > > > >> > As for the state of the art hospital well if the picture is
> > > > >> > showing the
> > > > >> > good side I have seen better facilities in rural Montana.. I
> > > > >> > think that
> > > > >> > is
> > > > >> > called propaganda,, words are cheap in the bush and us militarys
> > > > >> > word
> > > > >> > are
> > > > >> > very very cheap. to the point of no value.
> > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > >> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]>
> > > > >> > wrote:
>
> > > > >> >> The recent news about the transfer of the Gitmo detainees had me
> > > > >> >> thinking.
> > > > >> >> I was wondering why and how humanity switches gears from killing
> > > > >> >> the
> > > > >> >> enemy to taking care of the enemy, once captured and imprisoned.
> > > > >> >> On the battle field we kill the enemy, the enemy that wants to
> > > > >> >> kill
> > > > >> >> us.
> > > > >> >> Why do we expend so much energy caring for these people that
> > > > >> >> would see
> > > > >> >> us dead tomorrow?
>
> > > > >> >> **New Pentagon intelligence asserts that 61 former Guantánamo Bay
> > > > >> >> detainees, or about 11 percent of those who have been released,
> > > > >> >> appear
> > > > >> >> to have returned to involvement in terrorism.**
>
> > > > >> >> So why don't we just kill the enemy? Is it political
> > > > >> >> correctness? A
> > > > >> >> skewed sense of human compassion? What do you think it is? Your
> > > > >> >> thoughts, ideas, insight and opinion? I mean we do have, in some
> > > > >> >> places, the dead penalty for criminals, right?
>
> > > > >> >> I think it is ridiculous that we should waste time and money
> > > > >> >> caring
> > > > >> >> for enemies.
> > > > >> >> ***In every case, enemy combatants held here receive medical care
> > > > >> >> that
> > > > >> >> is "as good as or better than anything we would offer our own
> > > > >> >> soldiers, sailors, airmen or Marines," the general in charge of
> > > > >> >> the
> > > > >> >> U.S. detention facility here said. ***
>
> > > > >> >> I say...........
> > > > >> >> Line them up for the firing squad and be done with it. We would
> > > > >> >> have
> > > > >> >> killed them anyway on a battle field.
>
> > > > >> >> **
>
> > > > >> >>http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2009/01/13/some-freed-terrorism-d...
>
> > > > >> >> ***http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=25852***
>
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > (
> > > > >> > )
> > > > >> > I_D Allan
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
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