Isn't it the smoothest? Orn, Smooth move Exlax!
On Jun 17, 9:09 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > Your ad hominem is so smooth Mr. Moderator :-) > > peace & Love > > On Jun 17, 9:38 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "If you would like to ask me questions about what I know that you do > > not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-)" = tink > > > Word of the day: arrogance > > > On Jun 16, 8:30 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm really sorry that you don't understand what I'm talking about. > > > That you put it off as some religious BS is totally wrong. I'm talking > > > about the mechanical action of a force. > > > If you would like to ask me questions about what I know that you do > > > not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-) > > > The 'direction' of Society is something that you would classify as > > > unknown. This is what stirs the fear in you to attempt to quiet me. > > > > peace & Love - I know how to make it the way of the world, and you are > > > afraid of me :-P & I Love you. > > > > On Jun 16, 10:08 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " The 'direction' of Society, 'rule overrules right', ... " > > > > > Tinker, I have heard you bring up this ' mantra ' umpteen times, > > > > especially to end an argument, if not to win it. I believe it is > > > > misplaced, if not entirely. > > > > > The direction of society includes the potential of ' change ' within > > > > it. Feudalism is largely not evident anymore ; ask yourself why. > > > > > Rules also include the learning society has accumulated over the > > > > millenia. And, Right does not equal Truth ! > > > > > I have nothing against the mantra per se, so long as it remains > > > > yours ! > > > > > Peace & Love ... don't mind this borrowing. > > > > > On Jun 17, 7:29 am, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Rules from previous circumstances applied to similar present > > > > > circumstances and enforced without consideration of the differences IS > > > > > 'rule overrules right'. > > > > > The 'direction' of Society, 'rule overrules right', is the root of > > > > > every problem in the world and can be changed :-) > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On Jun 16, 10:02 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "The view behind is for retrospect in the hope that it will help us > > > > > > turn the right way next > > > > > > time to see it right." - sd > > > > > > > Yes, looking at the past is often used as a method for making > > > > > > decisions in the present. The main problem with this is that the > > > > > > past > > > > > > is not the present. > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 6:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Very well, it's all assumptive, either way there is no telling > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > the actual outcome would be. The probability seems equal given > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > choice. The trajectory of views are many, at least 360 and in > > > > > > > between but we can only see one way at a time. The view behind is > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > retrospect in the hope that it will help us turn the right way > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > time to see it right. I just don't see it going anywhere except > > > > > > > onward like a broken record, both sides bloodied grooves. > > > > > > > Credibility > > > > > > > and legitimization is hindsight, a crumpled ideal that once stood > > > > > > > tall. Strategy has now become fear of upsetting the enemy. When > > > > > > > sending a message of intolerance becomes damaging and destructive > > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > cause there is dilemma and stagnation. The agreement all around > > > > > > > is on > > > > > > > the uncertainty of outcome and the unsureness of the forward > > > > > > > path. It > > > > > > > is all out of my hands and out of my reach but in view, as > > > > > > > spectator I > > > > > > > can only watch and wait. > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone for your participation, thoughts and opinions. > > > > > > > > Dona Nobis Pachem! > > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 2:17 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You asked. > > > > > > > > > Your idea about "just killing" the prisoners on Gitmo would > > > > > > > > undermine > > > > > > > > our attempts to de-legitimize the Jihadist movement without any > > > > > > > > significant compensatory benefit. The scale of the damage it > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > cause at a critical time on the battlefield is enormous. You > > > > > > > > can try > > > > > > > > to distract from this all you want but what you suggest is just > > > > > > > > crazy. > > > > > > > > Earlier in my life I would have just let such "let's go kill > > > > > > > > um" cheer > > > > > > > > leading lunacy pass without comment because I thought it too > > > > > > > > crazy for > > > > > > > > serious people to consider. Unfortunately, given our recent > > > > > > > > history, I > > > > > > > > think we all need to point out such errors before they take > > > > > > > > hold. I am > > > > > > > > no longer convinced that we are beyond considering them > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > Ideas like yours have damaged the credibility of the United > > > > > > > > States of > > > > > > > > America and we must now work to rehabilitate it. Hopefully that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > underway now but it is not certain. > > > > > > > > > I am not "preaching" nor even suggesting civility. I have indeed > > > > > > > > deliberately tried to avoid it. I am simply noting the strategic > > > > > > > > consequences of your proposal. Its effect in Pakistan and > > > > > > > > Afganistan, > > > > > > > > where we are asking soldiers to risk their own lives to protect > > > > > > > > innocent life in order to discredit the fundamentalism and in > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > turn the situation around strategically, would be very > > > > > > > > destructive. > > > > > > > > You take into account the effect that the consequent impact to > > > > > > > > our own > > > > > > > > legitimacy would have on the order of battle that they will > > > > > > > > face in > > > > > > > > those countries. Hundreds of thousands or even millions of > > > > > > > > committed > > > > > > > > Jihadists is not a good outcome. Your ideas would contribute to > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > scenario and we might then be indeed forced to kill many more of > > > > > > > > "them" than "we" would like. Perhaps you trust Putin not to > > > > > > > > supply > > > > > > > > shoulder armed missiles? > > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 7:06 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should be telling me what I should study. > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry > > > > > > > > > that you think I've been living in the dark. Chimpanzees? > > > > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > Goodall? Maybe we should send the chimpanzees over to North > > > > > > > > > Korea or > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan and see if they can quell the festering quagmire > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hostility. I'm sure Hillary or Gore can soothe their zeal > > > > > > > > > for power. > > > > > > > > > Most likely they would wind up in the same labor camp as Ling > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Lee. So much for the passive approach. I have an idea, why > > > > > > > > > don't we > > > > > > > > > send you and the heretic over there to preach your civility. > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > sorry but I have spent way too much time wiping blood off my > > > > > > > > > skin for > > > > > > > > > a decision coming from an air conditioned office. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 3:20 pm, Justintruth <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The thread is about the psychology of war > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning the line drawn between killing and caring. I > > > > > > > > > > > was looking, > > > > > > > > > > > still waiting, for the psychological mechanism that > > > > > > > > > > > differentiates the > > > > > > > > > > > enemy perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to see the psychology of war take a look at > > > > > > > > > > chimpanzee > > > > > > > > > > behavioral studies. War is a primate instinct. So is > > > > > > > > > > nurturing and > > > > > > > > > > motherhood and caring for others. Unlike most species > > > > > > > > > > primates "sub- > > > > > > > > > > speciate" and form very different behavior patterns toward > > > > > > > > > > members of > > > > > > > > > > the own group and those outside it. Its a primate > > > > > > > > > > instinctual pattern. > > > > > > > > > > Show a picture of an Arab being killed to a group of Arabs > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Westerners and you will get different reactions. Show a > > > > > > > > > > picture of a > > > > > > > > > > Westerner being killed to similar groups and the reactions > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > switch. People on average feel sympathy to those within > > > > > > > > > > their group > > > > > > > > > > more readily than to those outside of it. Humans > > > > > > > > > > sub-speciate along > > > > > > > > > > national, religious, racial and tribal and party lines. > > > > > > > > > > See:http://www.janegoodall.org/jane/ > > > > > > > > > > > > When I referred to the firing squad I'm eliminating the > > > > > > > > > > > BS, > > > > > > > > > > > No you are not, you are just making more of it. > > > > > > > > > > > .... if we are going to engage in war then > > > > > > > > > > > > let's not play silly games, let's engage and win. If we > > > > > > > > > > > are not going > > > > > > > > > > > to engage war then let's talk peace, utilize diplomacy > > > > > > > > > > > and show by > > > > > > > > > > > example that we don't have a war mentality. > > > > > > > > > > > This is a classic example of the logical fallacy of the > > > > > > > > > > false > > > > > > > > > > dilemma. > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care how well you treat these prisoners, cater to > > > > > > > > > > > > their needs, throw parties for them, no one is going to > > > > > > > > > > > look at us and > > > > > > > > > > > say "wow these people are really loving and caring" > > > > > > > > > > > instead they will > > > > > > > > > > > continue their "Death to America" chants, burn our flag > > > > > > > > > > > and effigies. > > > > > > > > > > > This is a classic example of the strawman fallacy, No one is > > > > > > > > > > advocating throwing parties for the prisoners in Gitmo none > > > > > > > > > > are the > > > > > > > > > > saying that they will say "wow these people are really > > > > > > > > > > loving and > > > > > > > > > > caring". Its a simple strawman. > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man > > > > > > > > > > > .....sold to these piss ant countries > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me? What kind of countries? Showing your bigotry > > > > > > > > > > there for > > > > > > > > > > sure.... > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > should have planted seeds for peace not war. > > > > > > > > > > > No > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
