The tier-1 mirror idea sounds like a good one jason as it would relieve the load on the main site at apache and we would i'm sure be able to simplify things.
I do think that the ftp site needs to be just a pure distribution point only with no html files. which would simply mean that to mirror the distribution files only for a particular project you would reference ftp-dist.apache.org:projectname for the actual binaries files www-dist.apache.org:projectname for the actual web pages for that project Am I getting the right kinda idea or am I way off track Andrew -----Original Message----- From: jason andrade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01, 10, 2001 7:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problems updating via rsync On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Henk P. Penning wrote: > > Ohh no, Apache guys is there attention on this problem ? > > -- The 'dist' archive is a big mess now: current stuff, old stuff, > devel stuff; it's all there. It appears, disappears, > appears again. > > -- there is not a byte of guidance or documentation > > -- the server/connection is very, very slow. > > Isn't there someone with an ounce of brains to organise this ? a few of us have been asking this for more than a year now - perhaps not quite like that. andrew kenna has come on board recently and started to help - i think that the apache group (well, brian and ask who seem to reply more often than most on this list) just don't have enough time to address this. there appear to only be around half a dozen `active' mirrors in terms of commenting on the list. does that mean the consensus is that the majority think the current setup is fine and the rest of us are wasting time debating it. i am not sure how we get this addressed. offering bandwidth and time only goes so far - there needs to be an interest in the apache group itself to want to organize the site and projects in some way that actually scales for the next 2 years and i'm sure there are probably politics involved. i'd personally like to see: o apache web site which allows mirroring of *all* sub projects either as apache.localmirror.foo/project/ or project.apache.localmirror.foo. i've given up on really wanting the former - i'll even setup the 10 or 15 virtual servers needed for the latter now :-/. it's more work/less automatic than how apache previously used to work, but if that is what is needed, so be it. o decide if apache is going to stay as a ftp and web site all in one or separate the functions out. make the ftp site a pure distribution system (no html files..) and have a separate web site that can be mirrored in a much more coherent fashion. o similar to other projects, have a tiered mirroring system. have a master apache site that is only contactable by tier-1 mirrors and then use those to propgate out regionally. at the moment apache is a approximately a 4G archive. it's mirrorable by a lot of sites, but keeping track of all of this looks to have become a nightmare. -jason
