Lots of commentary from you, Steve... is that why you are the one giving
the talks?

>Mark Uemura wrote:
>> I hope this helps others put forth a good case for
>> OpenBSD in their working environment.
>
>Overall the presentation is well-done, but I take some exception with 
>some of your conclusions on slide 34.  I know when I talk to a vendor 
>and get unrealistic comparisons, mentally that vendor is out the door.
>
>DNS: You don't need a dual P3 with 2gb for a DNS server in Windows.  If 
>the server isn't an AD controller, that P3/500 would be plenty.  If it 
>is an AD controller, then the server size depends on how many users you 
>have, and to offer a good comparison, you'd have to size the OpenBSD 
>machine for Kerberos and LDAP.
>
>(Same argument for DHCP, if you run a DHCP server on a dual P3, the 
>server is going to be bored most of the time.)
>
>I also noticed you're comparing a PC to a server.  For any OS, a "real" 
>server will generally be a higher quality and more stable than a PC. 
>PCs don't have hot-swap drives or power supplies.  Again, this isn't a 
>fair comparison.
>
>Remote access: Windows' built-in Remote Desktop is included with the OS, 
>you don't need OpenBSD for that.  You couldn't do that over your Intel 
>VPN?  Remote Desktop is potentially vulnerable to MITM, but it's 
>probably more secure than an external web site like GoToMyPC.
>
>You can also install OpenSSH on your Windows machines and manage them 
>with netsh or a variety of other command-line tools.
>
>Wireless: I'm not sure if Server 2003 can act as an AP, I haven't tried 
>setting it up.  It can, however, provide 802.1X authentication, which 
>requires less end-user configuration (on Windows clients) than authpf.
>
>VPN: Why the hell does everyone hate the included Microsoft VPN?  If you 
>run an MS shop, it's easy and cheap.  That uses IPsec, ISAKMP and PKI. 
>It also has features to quarantine Windows clients that don't meet your 
>criteria for system security.
>
>(Yes, the MS PPTP protocol had some weaknesses, but that was 1998. 
>That'd be like avoiding OpenSSH because the SSH 1.0 protocol had some 
>weaknesses.)
>
>Web: I assume you had some talking points here, specifically about 
>privsep and code cleanup in OpenBSD's Apache.  The biggest problems with 
>IIS are from admins enabling it when they don't need to, or using IIS 
>when another product would do.  The Microsoft developers are even 
>learning to run the web processes as low-privilege processes (Srv 2003 
>SP1), although third-party developers aren't paying attention.
>
>Besides, you can run Apache on Windows, so the core argument is between 
>the trunk Apache and OpenBSD's Apache.
>
>IDS: Snort doesn't run on Windows?
>
>Firewall: I'm not familiar with Checkpoint, but their web site 
>(http://www.checkpoint.com/products/downloads/firewall-1_datasheet.pdf) 
>says that Checkpoint on Windows requires 256mb RAM and doesn't list 
>processor requirements.  Sounds like somebody just wanted to buy a big 
>server.  There's no good reason to have two processors in a firewall.
>
>Other comments: When you boil it down, the $500 for Server 2003 isn't 
>really all that expensive for a mid-size or large company.  CALs can 
>make a difference in large companies, but that doesn't really come in to 
>play here.
>
>You've made a good argument for using OpenBSD as a redundant firewall or 
>access point, but that's more Cisco's domain than Microsoft's.  Maybe 
>find out if you can set up a redundant file server using OpenBSD/CARP, 
>and compare that to active/passive Windows server clustering.
>
>Don't use "Micro$oft", it makes you sound like a zealot, and hasn't been 
>funny since 1992.  Well, maybe leave it on slide 25, I like it 
>contrasted with "ChequePoint".
>
>Avoid relying on cheap hardware to make your cost point.  OpenBSD runs 
>well on "real", modern servers.  Managers at mid/large companies aren't 
>going to want to hear about how you pulled machines out of the trash and 
>now the business depends on them, even if they're 4x redundant.
>
>Slide 3: The first two paragraphs only preach to the converted.  Maybe 
>add a fourth bullet point, "Your competitors are probably saving money 
>using it", depending on your audience.

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