On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:50:31 -0700, Darrin Chandler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>The often used OpenBSD phrase "Secure By Default" actually encourages
>>the lazy attitudes and lack of learning. Worse yet, "Secure By Default"
>>is fairly misleading since systems are always secured by knowledge,
>>effort and dedication.
>>  
>>
>I don't think "Secure by Default" is a bad thing. Neither perceptually 
>nor in practice. I really like the ability to bring up an OpenBSD box on 
>a public IP without much concern that it'll get hacked in 30 minutes.

It seems I failed to be clear. Having sane default settings is a good
thing. I very much enjoy and appreciate both the utility and the
bragging rights of "Secure By Default" as much (if not more) than most
OpenBSD users.

The sane default settings we enjoy have come from process of looking at
things critically so as to better understand all the implications.

The point I failed to be clear on, is I think the same process of
critical thinking and understanding implications should also be applied
to the rhetoric we use for promotion.

Go ask you mom or a nontechnical friend what she thinks when she hears
an operating system is "secure by default"? Ask her what it implies? Ask
her what she thinks it will require from her?

My mom, in her late 60's, hates computers, hates the web, hates email
and has no interest in learning about computers but none the less, she
uses OpenBSD daily for web access and email. Her replies to those
questions were quite enlightening.

kind regards,
JCR

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