> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Jacob Yocom-Piatt
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:38 AM
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: News From HiFn
> 
> >And yet, in his long-winded exasperated way, he's right. No one likes
a
> >whiner, especially in Theo's position.
> >
> 
> nobody may like the whiner, but that makes the whiner no less correct.
> 
> >I had respect for Theo before the American comment. It was
unnecessary,
> >out of line, and damaging to the OBSD effort as a whole. You couldn't
> >make your point without getting ugly, eh?
> >
> 
> i am myself american and feel that theo's comment about praising the
> company is
> spot on. corporations should not be praised for responding to their
> customers'
> complaints, the complainers, a.k.a. the whiners, should be the ones
> praised, for
> without them the corporation would have shot itself in the foot. this
> whole
> attitude is propagated by merit of the "peonified" US consumer who
only
> wishes
> they could be acknowledged, much less praised, by large corporations.
> 
> the only thing that is large scale and grassroots here in the US is
grass
> that
> is fertilized by large corporations. go figure. get long natural gas
> because
> this isn't going to end anytime soon ;).
> 
> >Showing pride and emotion for your cause is honorable- showing hatred
> >reveals your smallness. How embarrassing.
> >
> 
> or your short-sightedness and "patriotism".
> 
> >Dan Farrell
> >Applied Innovations
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >'the first man to raise his fists is the first man to run out of
ideas'

I didn't have a problem with his actual argument per se... it was the
delivery. 

Insulting rhetoric has no place in a civilized debate. I actually agreed
with him, until he thought that all of this is just 'American.' It's
actually 'capitalistic', and America isn't the only country in on that
game.

In short, a more mature attitude in presenting arguments would serve to
promote OpenBSD... it's not a punk solution, and deserves more than a
punk response to problem situations.

No wonder OpenBSD has such difficulty in raising money or respect in the
industry it was meant to operate in. And that's a sad statement-- it's a
damn good product.

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