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On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 11:43:47AM +1100, fonkprop wrote:
Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle
and threaten
his user community into sending him money when he needs it, he
holds them in
too much contempt to respond to simple, uncontroversial and valid
criticism.
On 3/16/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Let's see... the fsck_ffs fix pedro commited a few hours ago. That
fixes a serious problem where fsck fails to spot filesystem
corruption. Should we spend time fully assessing how rare or common
this situation is, and then errata it up the stream as fast as
possible, maybe even consider if there are security risks from such
filesystem corruption? Come on.
What a bullshit argument. When you realised the problem was
serious enough
to update the homepage to say "only two remote holes..." you
should also
have sent out an email to security-announce. You had time to send an
announcement to misc - not sending one to the list your project
specifically
created for just this type of situation means, quite simply, that
you fucked
up. You fucked up, Theo. Do it right next time, or de-commission the
security-announce mailing list for once and for all. The fact that
you can't
get a simple thing like this right really makes me wonder about
the wisdom
of relying on OpenBSD for real-world use...
The minute someone moans for a posting to the security-announce list
they have removed any desire from me to do so. And the same
comes for
any other errata.
What a completely fucking stupid, border-line insane thing to say.
Let's get
this straight - your project sets up a security announcement list
specifically for announcements on vulnerabilities and patches. You
then
proceed to ignore it completely for one of the most serious
OpenBSD security
problems in the last decade. But no-one is allowed to actually say
anything
about this because if they do you'll not use it JUST TO SPITE US.
You, sir,
are a childish, immature cock.
If people on our mailing list are going to be such jerks about
patches
which we do make available, then maybe we'll spend a whole lot less
effort making errata and updating -stable. The whole concept of
being
subserviant towards a community of jerks is not realistitic.
You know, Theo, it makes me fucking sick to see you treat the
community of
people who support your project and pay your wage like this. It
makes me
even sicker to see the crowds of shrill, stupid fanboys on this
list who are
so pathetically eager to agree with you that that they support
even your
most unreasonable, childish and frankly stupid statements. You are
a goddam
hypocrite - either you do OpenBSD purely for yourself and the other
I don't think Theo is a hypocrite he makes otherwise a highly
consistent
behaviour impression on me. To me it looks like a slippage caused
by an
external factor. There's a problem and it has to be found and fixed.
Theo, how much time do you sleep in average per night? Aren't you
overworked?
Don't you have some kind of family problem (relationship, death,
serious
disease)? Don't you you get too little money in donations and feel
stressed by
it? Or some other kind of cockup in your life?
We need to understand that OpenBSD is a unique operating system -
it's free,
very complicated, AND and proper care is taken in design and
programming. That
must be very demanding on the developers.
You need to FOAD and stop being an insulting little twat. This is
nothing more and nothing less than the same frustration and rage that
every working admin and coder in the world feels. It's not an
accident that the BOFH is central to our culture in many ways. :) You
can like it or not. We don't give a shit. Go ahead use the code
that's what it's there for. But FFS stop trying to change our culture
just because you don't like it. We love it and it's ours. Or if you
really hate it. Go the fuck away. You will not be mourned or missed.
You are a luser of the worst kind. To deny a man the right to blow
off steam or to start insulting him because he does is just sick and
wrong. So stop it. Now.
CL<
developers (in which case I will stop financially supporting the
project,
and everyone else should too) or you recognise that what really keeps
OpenBSD going is the group of people that advocate OpenBSD, use it
in the
real world, and buy your goddamn CDs and t-shirts to keep you
going... The
idiots on misc that support you when you treat your users this
badly aren't
the real friends of OpenBSD.
They do not preach that their God will rouse them a little before the
nuts work loose.
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