That's a pretty lame and negative response. 
. 
#1 developers are responsible enough to make their own decisions, and no one
asked the OBSD developers to do anything. 
#2 if you don't use a webcam maybee you should join Richard Stahlman in
having your web pages e-mailed to you throgh a script rather than using a
web browser, or maybee you should further 
#3 why would you want to use linux or windows when you could enjoy writing
your own usb driver If I had time in my life that's definitly what I would
be doing. I love obtaining visual data through a web cam and it's a highly
interesting topic and to insinuate that a device like a web-cam being
supported on openbsd is rediculous is rude and lame. 

Your response was both rude and non-productive and contributed nothing to
the discussion accept an arrogant antiquated attitude. Your lame attempt to
describe why adding such a driver would be a security risk was best a terse
flimflam shot from the hip in response to a good question. No one asked you
to like it or about your cockhammer notion of what should or shouldn't be
done on the OS. 

Write the application yourself is a good start though I will agree with
that, that's kind of what they were discussing in the thread untill you
tried to mute it with your red-harring argument which basically says OBSD
should be some sort of survial kit for animals in the wilderness, take only
what you need to survive and make sure you bring your book on which
plantlife to eat in south america. 

And by the way if you have ever used a webcam now days they are no longer
pixilated... You must still be living in 1998. Of course you are a "real"
computer user and real computer users don't need webcams because they only
need packet filter, cvs, and code auditing. OBSD also has a role as a
desktop system.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Pau Amaro-Seoane
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:52 PM
To: Unix Fan
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: PC Camera?

who cares about web cams? What's so important in looking at a pixeled,
almost-static face?

I have still not understood what they are good for.

I do understand what pf good for is.

I do understand what a public, anonymous CVS server good for is

I do understand what security and code auditing good for are

I do understand how important it is for me that things do not break

Do not distract the developers.

If you want webcam support, or skype or things like that run windows or
linux (almost synonims nowadays, unfortunately).

Or write the applications by yourself.

23 Mar 2008 16:56:16 -0700, Unix Fan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> There is a USB standard for USB Cameras among other video devices... It's
called "USB Video Device Class".
>
>
>
>  The specific is available to download... if anyone feels brave enough 
> to write a driver for "UVC" class devices... ;)
>
>
>
>  @Sunnz, Unsupported USB devices always attach to "ugen", read the 
> manual page.... then you'll realize how silly you are.. ;)
>
>
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_video_device_class
>
>
>
>  This seems to be a driver for:
>
>  OpenSolaris: 
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/device_drivers/projects/usb/uv
> c/
>
>  Linux: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
>
>  Mac OSX..
>
>  Microsoft's Vista - Which seems to require all vendors implement the
standard..
>
>  ...And Sony's Playstation 3.
>
>
>
>  So who's working on OpenBSD's implementation? get busy!! :D :D :D
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -Nix Fan.

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