Speaking of donation money, reading http://accounting.kd85.com/
We see this mentioned: "some went to funeral costs (Itojun)." Why would money that was directed to go to the OpenBSD project be used for this? especially when at the time it was made pretty clear that it should not be. We (the developers) at the time certainly SENT money for a friend. But at the time I objected to using OpenBSD money or a donation account for this. We wanted it completely clear that the money we were sending was coming from us personally, in memory of a super great guy and as a token of respect to his family. At the time, both Myself and Theo objected to this, stating it was not fair to use money donated to fund the project for this. The money had to come from us personally. So. How much donation money was sent for Itojuns funeral, and in this case was it "donation" money for openbsd, or was this money from the developers: The email exchange about this at the time is below, when I expressed my concern about mixing up donations to OpenBSD with money being sent from a developer to a friend. Wim's answer to this was terse and rude and basically that I "did not understand accounting in europe", and to "shut the fuck up because I did not understand banking". Then it goes on to mention that "personal money" was being put up to "front" this? So, what was it? Money from developers sent for a friend that had nothing to do with OpenBSD? Money from OpenBSD donations? or "personal money from wim?" - since OpenBSD donations weren't supposed to go to this why is this now mentioned here? Stranger and stranger. -Bob -----------------------------8<------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:10:37 -0700 From: Bob Beck <beck> To: Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us>, hack...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. Message-ID: <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us>, hack...@openbsd.org References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Content-Length: 2013 Ok, here's the deal. Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that is fine too. Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate with them. this will be easiest on short notice. I've already sent mine. * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. > I will let you all know. > > -Bob > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: > > How and where do we send money to? > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral > > > on Nov 7. > > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. > > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. > > > > > > -Bob > > > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > } > -- #!/usr/bin/perl if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; } Return-Path: <owner-hackers+m28...@openbsd.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=no version=3.1.8 Received: from mail8.srv.ualberta.ca (smtp.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5NPe9L010633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from procm...@localhost) by mail8.srv.ualberta.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) id lA5NPeaK013468; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (cvs.openbsd.org [199.185.137.3]) by mail8.srv.ualberta.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA5NPUSK011681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for <b...@ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from shear.ucar.edu (lists.openbsd.org [192.43.244.163]) by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id lA5NPSsS015770; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from openbsd.org (localhost.ucar.edu [127.0.0.1]) by shear.ucar.edu (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA5NKpnc027221; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from kd85.com (togetic.kd85.com [62.116.6.180]) by shear.ucar.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5NKfjl016118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <hack...@openbsd.org>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from kd85.com (localhost.kd85.com [127.0.0.1]) by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA5NKeFR027686 for <hack...@openbsd.org>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:20:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (from wvdpu...@localhost) by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id lA5NKeoh013343 for hack...@openbsd.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:20:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:20:40 +0100 From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> To: hack...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. Message-ID: <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Loop: hack...@openbsd.org Precedence: list Sender: owner-hack...@openbsd.org Content-Length: 2693 for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account IBAN BE93737017743767 BIC KREDBEBB Name: OpenBSD Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 9920 Lovendegem Belgium mail me when you do On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > Ok, here's the deal. > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that > is fine too. > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. > > I've already sent mine. > > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: > > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. > > I will let you all know. > > > > -Bob > > > > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: > > > How and where do we send money to? > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral > > > > on Nov 7. > > > > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. > > > > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. > > > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > -- > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > } > > > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > } -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= https://kd85.com/notforsale.html -- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:11:05 -0700 From: Bob Beck <beck> To: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> Cc: hack...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. Message-ID: <20071106001105.gn...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com>, hack...@openbsd.org References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Content-Length: 3371 Wim, why complicate matters. Is this what I just asked people to do? Now we're going to mix OpenBSD developers giving personal money to something for a friend, with money that is recieved for OpenBSD? Guys, this is doing something for a friend, it is not donations for openbsd. Please just paypal ryan directly. -Bob * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: > > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account > > IBAN BE93737017743767 > BIC KREDBEBB > > Name: OpenBSD > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 > 9920 Lovendegem > Belgium > > mail me when you do > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > Ok, here's the deal. > > > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. > > > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. > > > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would > > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that > > is fine too. > > > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com > > > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. > > > > I've already sent mine. > > > > > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: > > > > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. > > > I will let you all know. > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: > > > > How and where do we send money to? > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral > > > > > on Nov 7. > > > > > > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. > > > > > > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. > > > > > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > > } > > > > > > > -- > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > } > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > > -- > -- #!/usr/bin/perl if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; } Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:16:00 -0700 From: Bob Beck <beck> To: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> Bcc: mcbr...@openbsd.org, dera...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. Message-ID: <20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Content-Length: 3576 You screwing around waiting for a lump sum means ryan can't judge how much has come in. Will you please stop sticking your nose into this? Please encourage people to just send the money to ryan directly, instead of having ryan wait for you. Unless you are talking to ryan about this, please stop doing this. you are just making everyone's life difficult for this. Please tell people to paypal ryan directly. There is no need to mix *donation* money for openbsd with *personal* money from a developer to another developer. -Bob * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: > > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account > > IBAN BE93737017743767 > BIC KREDBEBB > > Name: OpenBSD > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 > 9920 Lovendegem > Belgium > > mail me when you do > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > Ok, here's the deal. > > > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. > > > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. > > > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would > > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that > > is fine too. > > > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com > > > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. > > > > I've already sent mine. > > > > > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: > > > > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. > > > I will let you all know. > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: > > > > How and where do we send money to? > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral > > > > > on Nov 7. > > > > > > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. > > > > > > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. > > > > > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > > } > > > > > > > -- > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > } > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > > -- > -- #!/usr/bin/perl if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; } Return-Path: <wvdpu...@kd85.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from kd85.com (togetic.kd85.com [62.116.6.180]) by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA60ShUJ011784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:28:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from kd85.com (localhost.kd85.com [127.0.0.1]) by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA60ShK8013530 for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:28:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (from wvdpu...@localhost) by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id lA60ShF6026515 for b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:28:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:28:43 +0100 From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> To: Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. Message-ID: <20071106002842.gb6...@togetic.kd85.com> References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> <20071106001105.gn...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071106001105.gn...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Content-Length: 3931 you completly don't understand banking in Europe. On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:11:05PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > Wim, why complicate matters. Is this what I just asked people to do? > > Now we're going to mix OpenBSD developers giving personal > money to something for a friend, with money that is recieved for OpenBSD? > > Guys, this is doing something for a friend, it is not donations > for openbsd. Please just paypal ryan directly. > > -Bob > > > * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: > > > > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account > > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account > > > > IBAN BE93737017743767 > > BIC KREDBEBB > > > > Name: OpenBSD > > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 > > 9920 Lovendegem > > Belgium > > > > mail me when you do > > > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > Ok, here's the deal. > > > > > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. > > > > > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. > > > > > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would > > > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that > > > is fine too. > > > > > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com > > > > > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate > > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. > > > > > > I've already sent mine. > > > > > > > > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: > > > > > > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. > > > > I will let you all know. > > > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: > > > > > How and where do we send money to? > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral > > > > > > on Nov 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a > > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the > > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower > > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. > > > > > > > > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun > > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for > > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again > > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads > > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details > > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has > > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > > } > > > > -- > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > > > > -- > > > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > } -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= https://kd85.com/notforsale.html -- Return-Path: <wvdpu...@kd85.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from kd85.com (togetic.kd85.com [62.116.6.180]) by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA60VBZ6021243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from kd85.com (localhost.kd85.com [127.0.0.1]) by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA60V9dk002157 for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:31:10 +0100 (CET) Received: (from wvdpu...@localhost) by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id lA60V9Ta002485 for b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:31:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:31:09 +0100 From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> To: Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. Message-ID: <20071106003109.gc6...@togetic.kd85.com> References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> <20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Content-Length: 4323 Bob, if you don't understand accounting in Europe, just shut the fuck up. I just offered to pre-fund those payments from Europe, if you don't appreciate me putting up my personal money to pay this, then just medle it in , just say so k On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:16:00PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > You screwing around waiting for a lump sum means ryan > can't judge how much has come in. Will you please stop sticking your > nose into this? Please encourage people to just send the money to > ryan directly, instead of having ryan wait for you. Unless you are > talking to ryan about this, please stop doing this. you are just > making everyone's life difficult for this. Please tell people to > paypal ryan directly. There is no need to mix *donation* money for > openbsd with *personal* money from a developer to another developer. > > -Bob > > * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: > > > > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account > > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account > > > > IBAN BE93737017743767 > > BIC KREDBEBB > > > > Name: OpenBSD > > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 > > 9920 Lovendegem > > Belgium > > > > mail me when you do > > > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > Ok, here's the deal. > > > > > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. > > > > > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. > > > > > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would > > > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that > > > is fine too. > > > > > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com > > > > > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate > > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. > > > > > > I've already sent mine. > > > > > > > > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: > > > > > > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. > > > > I will let you all know. > > > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: > > > > > How and where do we send money to? > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral > > > > > > on Nov 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a > > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the > > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower > > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. > > > > > > > > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun > > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for > > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again > > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads > > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details > > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has > > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > > > } > > > > -- > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > > > > -- > > > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > } -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= https://kd85.com/notforsale.html Return-Path: <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE autolearn=no version=3.1.8 Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (cvs.openbsd.org [199.185.137.3]) by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA610m8j026578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id lA610k7i009374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from dera...@localhost) by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.1/8.12.0/Submit) id lA610ku6023440; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:46 -0700 (MST) From: Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> Message-Id: <200711060100.la610ku6023...@cvs.openbsd.org> To: aus...@openbsd.org, b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca, dera...@openbsd.org, w...@kd85.com Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. Content-Length: 3089 I have no idea what this is about. Bob just suggested that people find a way to send small amounts to Ryan's account, for flowers that are already prepaid. total he needs is just about 300 more, since Bob and I already covered the rest. It's just to be nice to itojun's family because japanese funerals are expensive; we're doing it to fit into the japanese way of doing the honourable thing at a funeral. and now it has anger and yelling involved. I don't understand this at all. I really don't know at all where this is coming from. I'm here to honour itojun, so I don't know why any kind of fighting like this has to happen now. I think Bob layed out a very simple way so that a few poeple could do this. Ryan just needs to not go broke living in an expensive place.. but this stuff should stay seperate from donations; it is not right to mix it into that. It's not what itojun would have wanted, I think. We should let people do this in the simplest way Oh you should see how openbsd and cheo de raadto look in kanji....... >From wvdpu...@kd85.com Mon Nov 5 17:52:58 2007 >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:52:47 +0100 >From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> >To: Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>, dera...@openbsd.org, > aus...@openbsd.org >Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. >References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> ><20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> ><20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> ><20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> ><20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> ><20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> ><20071106003109.gc6...@togetic.kd85.com> ><20071106004043.gq...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> ><20071106004306.ga24...@togetic.kd85.com> ><20071106004651.gr...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >In-Reply-To: <20071106004651.gr...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> >User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i > > >Wel, > >if it's going to be like this kind of crap then consider me out of the >picture for the next 30 days for wherever you guys had planned > > >I just volountered to cough up on my personal account whatever >had to be paid for project and expenses for the funeral but if it's not >appreceated, I can take my fund somewhere else where they are needed, like >paying of goverment debts on my side... there is plenty of that to go >around anyways > >Don't count on my for the next month to pay any bills then or show up >at hitlercon 2007 > >bye, see you in 2008 > > >On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:46:51PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> >> > >> > wtf if wrong with you >> >> hey. you're the one who left icb in a huff, and then >> told me to fuck off. >> >> >> > Why do I even have to take this kindf of abuse from you? >> >> Hey, you tell me to fuck off, I'm going give as good >> as I get. >> >> -Bob > >-- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > --