I get you, I get you.

Let the mail providers have their setups. Is it possible to have a 
configuration where I have 2 servers, example.com example2.com where I can send 
and receive emails on ports say, 777 on plaintext, starttls optional and port 
778 with smtps?

Give me a configuration for such a thing. 

humaaraartha.in.       TXT        "v=spf1 ipv4:{myipv4address} -all"
humaaraartha.in.       TXT        "resports:777,778"humaaraartha.in. 
humaaraartha.in.       MX          10 humaaraartha.in. 
humaaraartha.in.       A              {myipv4address}
That is all you have, nothing more for both servers. Can you help me send and 
recieve mails on ports 777,778 with just above DNS and smtpd? I can add SRV 
records for detection of ports 777, 778 if you want.
Thanking you
Sagar Acharya
https://humaaraartha.in



7 Sept 2023, 15:33 by gil...@poolp.org:

> September 7, 2023 11:44 AM, "Sagar Acharya" <sagaracha...@tutanota.com> wrote:
>
>> In today's times of mature NLP, you will not be able to differentiate human 
>> mail from bot mail or
>> spam. Only in person verification is trustworthy.
>> No. Are you saying that only people who control the network should send 
>> mails? Well DNS exactly is
>> for that. If you find I send spams, you can easily easily block mails from 
>> my domain
>> humaaraartha.in but it is not wise nor ethical to by default not allow 
>> people to mail.
>>
>> That issue lies because hardware is not mapped to people. There is no 
>> technological solution for
>> trust hopping between machines. ssh should be discouraged and each machine, 
>> denoted by single IP
>> address should be mapped to a human. So humaaraartha.in is run by Sagar 
>> Acharya.
>>
>> My configuration of whitelisting does exactly that. In today's world where 
>> each grain can
>> potentially have an IPv6, I accept requests only from whitelist or at the 
>> very least accept from
>> everyone and prioritize the whitelist.
>>
>> Well, what action should be implemented for sending emails. I don't get a 
>> sending action. I have
>> changed conf to
>>
>> action "send" relay helo humaaraartha.inmatch from any for any action "send"
>> Thanking you
>> Sagar Acharya
>> https://humaaraartha.in
>>
>
> As many people told you, domestic connections are no longer suitable for 
> sending mail, wether you
> like it or not this is the actual state of the SMTP network and will remain 
> like this because the
> big mailer corps control most of the e-mail address space and have decided 
> so. If you ignore this
> then you'll be blocked from most recipients, you decide if it's acceptable 
> for you.
>
>
> Then, if you're domestic connection has outgoing port 25 filtered, you can't 
> work around this and
> need a relay host somewhere else that can accept mail on a different port 
> with unfiltered port 25
> for outgoing trafic. You can't just switch to a different port and expect it 
> to work this shows a
> misunderstanding of how networking, internet and SMTP works.
>
> There's nothing that can be changed in your config that will fix this because 
> the problem isn't a
> configuration issue but an issue with understanding both what you're allowed 
> and trying to do.
>


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